War MT?

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Originally Posted by Tankstuff

Thanks for the quick replies, although it seems like im getting mixed responses. Not sure how I feel about the dps infatuation on tanks..like cool if your dps sucks you can pickup the slack but how does that help you survive "tank busters" as you call them in this game haha if I want to dps ill make a dps. I want to be the most reliable MT for tanking the hardest content in the game, but maybe endgame is different from the mmos ive played and im missing something

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Tank DPS was/is a big part of endgame. Hybrid builds, STR builds were/are mostly used by progression groups in order to meet DPS checks. The problem is these same builds used by very good players have trickled down to the mouth breathers who don't have the skill or support to make them work effectively.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

PLDs tool kit is lacking for MT duties. Lowest MT DPS,
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A1- 500 DPS as a MT..... Also please enlighten me on these magical attacks ?
A2- 300 DPS as MT /Shield Oath up pretty much all the time , except last wave.....Also If I do recall when Multiple mobs are autoattcking yada yada you know how the mobs do here , they're considered physical eh ? Or Im wrong
A3-maintain 300-400 DPS...Also the amount of damage is minimal , the cleave her is PHYSICAL...frontal swipe ...so ? Wut ?
A4-500 DPS as MT until P4....soooo you don't even tank this fight until last phase really ? SO how are we lacking and behind ?
You prepare for at max 3 Discoid....Which Is RAMPART, SENTINEL , HG

You sir need to go be a PLD junkie back in 2.0 because 3.0 we're winning ...

Wait what? Those are all garbage tier DPS numbers even for a PLD.

A1 My PLD does 700, WAR and DRK do 850+
A2 my PLD does 700, WAR and DRK can do 950+
A3 my PLD does 550,WAR does 850, I haven't gone with a DRK
A4 my PLD does 600, WAR and DRK do 800+

If you can time Inner Beast, WAR's an amazing MT that can match or beat PLD's mitigation in the majority of fights. If you can't time it, it's a horrible choice. Learning fights and tankbuster timings doesn't take long considering how scripted everything is.

Ok ty, it is indeed different from the traditional mmos i have played in the past then, excuse my ignorance. As I was reading paladin skills I sort of came to the same conclusion, a lot of their skills seem suitable as OT utility, although they have strong physical mitigation. I am enjoying warrior though and if pushing dps numbers while tanking is just as important for progression that seems like a fun challenge.

All tanks are quite viable on all of the content. Each of them has their strong points as well as their learning curve. I always suggest learning Paladin first for this reason. While it lacks the burst DPS of warrior, it has more steady DPS, as well as a standard mitigation toggle that is literally more effective in ALL situations. Even with the new addition of parry on Warrior's Wrath, they actually are required to use Wrath as a resource and thus lose that Parry quite often. Further, as several people have pointed out, Parry is useless against magical damage, which is fairly common in the game. Not nearly as common as physical damage, but still common. I suggest people learn Paladin first because it has the most simple and just powerful mitigating cooldowns that requires less thought about its usage. After learning Paladin, I suggest learning Warrior, since you will now have the basics of tanking down and you will learn things like cooldown combinations, synergy, and more precise skill timing. Then, after mastering both, I suggest moving on to Dark Knight, since you will now be an exceptionally skilled tank with all the aspects of tanking well practiced, and you can apply them to a tanking class that really challenges the role.

Don't get fooled. Most statics use Paladin as MT because it's the safest choice, all Paladin cooldowns are oGCD, while inner beast, WARs main mitigation, is not. Warrior MT and Paladin OT setup is considered advanced gameplay already. It is usually viable if you have done the fight a couple times and are pushing the numbers to get it done faster. The WAR needs to know the timing of incoming tank busters and so do the healers, otherwise it's going to be a horrible experience.

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

You sir need to go be a PLD junkie back in 2.0 because 3.0 we're winning ...

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pretty sure taint know what he talking about, PLD is by far lowest MT DPS and even on OT lose to both DRK and WAR.

and i do agree with him best MT by far is warrior>.>

While Warrior can definitely MT anything, and I imagine that will remain the case, many groups looking to fill a tank slot in their static likely will have Warrior pegged as OT.

You can plead your case, and can find a static that will allow War MT definitely, but it is unlikely to be the default in the majority of groups.

However, many end game fights require tank swaps or both tanks to MT at points. You'll definitely get plenty of chance to shine tanking either way.

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Originally Posted by Tankstuff

Thanks for the quick replies, although it seems like im getting mixed responses. Not sure how I feel about the dps infatuation on tanks..like cool if your dps sucks you can pickup the slack but how does that help you survive "tank busters" as you call them in this game haha if I want to dps ill make a dps. I want to be the most reliable MT for tanking the hardest content in the game, but maybe endgame is different from the mmos ive played and im missing something

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In other games, tanks don't do nearly as much dps as a dps does. A tank not focusing on dps in this game does roughly the same spread on others, however a tank dpsing in this game can do upwards of 700 dps. When all your dps are doing 1k on these fights its a pretty significant amount. The difference between a tank doing 250-300 dps and a tank doing 850 in a live fight is like a dps doing 500 dps vs 1k. Not dpsing removes a LOT from your groups.