Bard issue... dps needed for Bismarck EX?

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Nope, I don't use WM in both EX after the opener.

Bismarck isn't that bad but extended WM in Ravana EX is a little silly since you have to deal with the "all knowing" stances very frequently.

For Bismarck EX, if you party isn't able to break the back one-shot for the first one by now then it is going to be worrying later.

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Thanks! Now I can do EX with a peace of mine :) You're really a great contributor to the Bard society!

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

I tried Bismarck EX last night too and there was this dragoon with a very condescending attitude who kept went on about "there's no way we will pass the dps check". My party has 2 bards and 1 MCH. Needless to say, we wiped.

Is it safe to say that I do not have to use WM in EX fights? Because I'm really uncomfortable with the cast time. I felt that I lose more dps than without WM.

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Condescending? Maybe but it is not far from the truth. Well dps check would be very tough with just a Bard and mch on a progressing party. .

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Condescending? Maybe but it is not far from the truth. Well dps check would be very tough with just a Bard and mch on a progressing party. .

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It may not be far from truth but you don't have to be condescending about it. Why? There is a need to act high and mighty just because you ain't a BRD or MCH? Superiority complex eh?

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Originally Posted by FateAudax

It may not be far from truth but you don't have to be condescending about it. Why? There is a need to act high and mighty just because you ain't a BRD or MCH? Superiority complex eh?

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I am in the same boat too trying to clear Bismarck as Bard but it is time for us to admit that having more than 1 bard or mch in the progression party is a waste of time for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Well dps check would be very tough with just a Bard and mch on a progressing party. .

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On primal EX that can be done 7 man for carry sales the very same week it was downed? On Bismark EX where people cleared it with a mix of IL170 and thsoe IL142/146 pieces?

If people wants to be condescending and think that with a BRD/MCH on a progressing party and I'll probably be the real condescending person and tell them to git gud, because it certainly can be done. Just whether you are capable or not.

You can make a party of 4 MNK/NIN but if these 4 people are kek then it's all moot.

I am assuming the selling party require some sort of dps from the buyer as well? Because I do not see how it is possible to kill those 2 add on time with just 3 dps, meaning part of the times where only 1 dps is on adds due to the green blue debuff.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

I am assuming the selling party require some sort of dps from the buyer as well? Because I do not see how it is possible to kill those 2 add on time with just 3 dps, meaning part of the times where only 1 dps is on adds due to the green blue debuff.

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Bismarck Ex Solo Healable.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

I am assuming the selling party require some sort of dps from the buyer as well? Because I do not see how it is possible to kill those 2 add on time with just 3 dps, meaning part of the times where only 1 dps is on adds due to the green blue debuff.

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Why not 3 DPS? Carry sales usually want the customer to stay out in case he/she messes up with mechanics.

When most people thinks that it is impossible, there will always be groups with the skill and will to think that it is possible.

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Originally Posted by sharazisspecial

Bismarck Ex Solo Healable.

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On a side note, Ravana EX solo tank-able.

Well, during the blue and green snake portion with the debuff. I do not believe it is possible to down a snake with 1 dps on it.

Actually i got a question. You said there are primal selling team with 2 bard/mch? What are their parse? I am curious honestly.