Bard issue... dps needed for Bismarck EX?

[Xellos2099]

Long story short, I finally get around to learn Bismarck EX last night and boy the dps check is quite rough on the snake part. I got a question what is the exactly dps needed? I didn't check my dps and one of the party member did. One of the monk is over 800, the other monk is around 750 and my dps as bard is around 685 and I use WM + EA for the shell and adds if there is time. We still come up short of dps and the pt fall apart afterward. I am using i180 weapon and a mix of 160, 170 and 180 stuff.

[Snowaeth]

Never had issues with DPS as a BRD with both Ex fights.
It's a team effort, and BRD is in a shit spot right now, but not where it can't do passable dps.
Placing your buffs/burst at the right time is what matters outside of that it's a team effort.

Currently 48 Ravana Ex clears of which half were with double bard and even a few tripple bard.
And despite being behind in dps, being able to throw foe's and ballad are still valuable tools that do partially cover the lower dps.
Also turn off WM. Just do it. If you have the 2.0-2.5 brd rotation down to perfection, the WM ain't going to buff your dps at all.

If you'r struggling to kill the dragons in time you can always opt to use LB1 on them too.

[Xellos2099]

Is Ravana EX dps check not as strict as Bismarck? Because one time in pf we have 2 bard in pt and we were doing no where enough damage. Another common issue even when there is only 1 bard in pt if it fail dsp check. They will always kick the lowest dps in pt and in this case, it will always be Bard or Mech. Unless the pt bring 2 caster into the fight foe won;t have as much of an impact with the dps. What is your bard tactic for bismarck ex? For the moment, I only use WM+ Barrage + Ea when breaking the caprase on Bismarck and on the two add when EA + barrage line up, other than that I turn off WM. There are sizeable amount of dodge needed in Bismarck so wm is not really the best choice. I beat final coil before the echo come in so I have a decent 2.5 bard rotation.

[Tharian]

Unless the pt bring 2 caster into the fight foe won;t have as much of an impact with the dps.

Um... not to nitpick but here is a list of all classes that Foe's Requiem benefits:

Ninja
Astrologian
White Mage - Conjurer
Scholar - Arcanist
Summoner - Arcanist
Black Mage - Thaumaturge

Most of the Ninjutsu attacks with the exception of the Shuriken one, are magical in origin.

I am not sure, but I think Dark Knight might also be affected by Foe's Requiem.

So long as you bring 2 Healers your Foe's Requiem will be useful to the Party to some extent. Adding to that is Mage's Ballad which is also exceedingly useful when you have a White Mage or heck even a Dark Knight in your party.

Bard is still a useful class, even if it's DPS is sub par at the moment as it enhances the capabilities of the rest of the party significantly.

[Snowaeth]

Both EX fights are not extremely strict on dps, they do have dps checks but they are not packed on top of each other.
What this means is, that everyone should be able to place their highest burst during those checks on the target where the dmg needs to go to.

On Bismark you want everyone to pop all their cooldowns when you go on his back for the first time and dps him hard (make sure people are actually on top of his back otherwise that attacks don't count).
Then once the dragons come out those will last long enough for everyone to have most of their buffs be up and able to be used before the dragons actually have to be dead.
These are the only two real dps checks on Bismark, obviously you ll still need to be smart about dpsing the birdmen adds down in a timely matter and only getting on Bismarks back when you don't have the debuff anymore and have cooldowns up.

Ravana has the same kind of dps checks, only time the check is real is during the butterflies if you can kill all the butterflies in time, the rest of the fight is not as tight on enforcing high dps bursts.

As for WM, if you had a good pre 3.0 rotation, there's not a moment during those fights when WM is needed and most likely not a moment where it is actually a dps gain over a good old rotation.

[Xellos2099]

As for WM, if you had a good pre 3.0 rotation, there's not a moment during those fights when WM is needed and most likely not a moment where it is actually a dps gain over a good old rotation.

I have to disagree on it. Even if i follow my pre 3.0 rotation, it will still be a dps loss from before because of the barrage change. And i cannot think of a stronger attack with a fully buff barrage+ EA atm, which would be perfect to kill the carpase . I do turn off WM rigth after it through. I am wondering through, should i turn off wm right after EA hit or after Bismarck throw me back to the island.

[Snowaeth]

I have to disagree on it. Even if i follow my pre 3.0 rotation, it will still be a dps loss from before because of the barrage change. And i cannot think of a stronger attack with a fully buff barrage+ EA atm, which would be perfect to kill the carpase . I do turn off WM rigth after it through. I am wondering through, should i turn off wm right after EA hit or after Bismarck throw me back to the island.

You can disagree on that part with me, doesn't really matter when what you were saying is that the dragons didn't go down in time.
Meaning whatever you guys were doing on Bishmarks back was enough one way or the other.

I personally peak around the same with old opener or with WM opener on a dummy, but my rotation flows much smoother without WM, resulting in better dps in the long run and that's why I rather leave it off.
Also the old rotation doesn't get messed up by whatever little bit of movement that might have cancelled a cast or anything where the WM does. (Tornado/Puddle on Bismark)

As for when to turn off WM on his back, if you'r making that part of the dps check, then it doesn't really matter we already disagreed on WM usage and both of us are making that part of the dps check.

[peekashu]

I've been selling Bismarck as a Bard and our group for Ravana sell is got 2 Bards. DPS is perfectly fine, I'm usually 100 points behind the Monk/Black Mage, but I'm still useful and can do the maximum DPS for the class.

So, no issues at all. I just find boring the new skills and I NEVER use any of them except Sidewinder.

[Xellos2099]

And I mean if the phrase by the other person is correct, my dps at 685 is close to the 100 less dps compare to monk. Althrought there was something strange. On my first semi leaning pt I was in a pt with smn and blm and naturally i use foe + bv during the 2 adds and we manage to push the dps no problem even through it was my first time in the fight, the only issue that we had was the weather shift. My future fight end up worse even with me had a better understanding of the fight.

[Umbrax]

DPS is perfectly fine, I'm usually 100 points behind the Monk/Black Mage, but I'm still useful and can do the maximum DPS for the class.

Hey could you provide any numbers (if parse reset is 30 seconds or near) our bard is a little bit frustrated because his DPS is like 250 behind melees :/

EDIT: ok nvm, you did already, my bad :P