Lore Question: Killing Poachers, why? Hypocritical?

Simple. Our brand of killing and naming is city-state approved. theirs is not

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Originally Posted by Griss

Simple. Our brand of killing and naming is city-state approved. theirs is not

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Originally Posted by HiirNoivl

I kill them because if I didn't, they'd kill me. Plus the SP is good.

RE Lore: Anyone who kills anything without direct permission of the Wood is a poacher. If the Wood Wailers didn't take care of them, the Forest would go into a mad rage and kill everyone in the Twelveswood.

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That seems to be what it boils down to! That doesn't even seem explain why we can *randomly* do it, and they cannot. I understand leves being sanctioned, but the various quests unrelated to official business, and all the mobs we randomly slay for drops, SP, or just because we want to are not explained!

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Maybe these poachers are Garleans or at the very least bandits. Poaching isn't necessarily killing some protected species, it is poaching when you kill game that belongs to someone else especially if you are their enemy/an outlaw.

I don't know how you could think raptors/toads are a protected species in Gridania I mean sure they are the nature oriented city-state, but it isn't like they are all rabid vegans.

These &*^%$&%$ are killing all our Raptors and selling their hides to foreigners! Not just any foreigners either but our sworn enemies who hate freedom and want to destroy all of Eorzea, and I suppose we should just roll over and let them pick the forest clean just because we have a history of legally and responsibly hunting animals on our own land? Preventing overpopulation and oh yeah funding the entire Moogle Forestry Service, what a bunch of hypocrites we all are. Well when was the last time you personally, Shin Chuck, did anything for a marmot?!

What about all the leatherworks who rely on those raptors for Gridanian JOBS!!!! I guess their families should go hungry just because you feel sorry for some no good dirty poachers.

This blame-Gridania-first crowd makes me sick!

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Hah hah, hey, I'm FROM Gridania! It's my hometown! I would be doing leves there all the time if my crew wasn't so Ul'dah-attached.

Anyway, yours is the best answer yet. Now, as far as I can tell, in-game we don't know WHY poaching is an offense Gridania imposes a death penalty on, nor do we know the poachers' affiliations, and we don't even know that they don't sell raptor leather back to those leather workers anyway, but it's definitely a lot more reasonable then anything else the game gives us!

I fully concede I'm overthinking this, and, like so many quests in WoW and Rift and XI and PSU, it's just fun sometimes to ask the community about lore issues and see the theories behind it. Heck, the Star Wars community has filled in just about every given plothole in the new trilogy!

Poaching without the forests consent (usually for money or non survival reasons) would probably incur greenwrath, or, anger from the forest. Gridania works for the forest with its permission and tries to protect from the forest. See con and lnc guilds

Also it seems that those with the Echo, adventurers, don't effect certain things.

We chop down trees for lumber and crow feathers(?), and they still stand.
We Mine away mineral deposits, to find them at the same location later.
Skin a marmot and merely minutes later a new one will appear, I don't think they breed quite that fast.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Maybe these poachers are Garleans or at the very least bandits. Poaching isn't necessarily killing some protected species, it is poaching when you kill game that belongs to someone else especially if you are their enemy/an outlaw.

I don't know how you could think raptors/toads are a protected species in Gridania I mean sure they are the nature oriented city-state, but it isn't like they are all rabid vegans.

These &*^%$&%$ are killing all our Raptors and selling their hides to foreigners! Not just any foreigners either but our sworn enemies who hate freedom and want to destroy all of Eorzea, and I suppose we should just roll over and let them pick the forest clean just because we have a history of legally and responsibly hunting animals on our own land? Preventing overpopulation and oh yeah funding the entire Moogle Forestry Service, what a bunch of hypocrites we all are. Well when was the last time you personally, Shin Chuck, did anything for a marmot?!

What about all the leatherworks who rely on those raptors for Gridanian JOBS!!!! I guess their families should go hungry just because you feel sorry for some no good dirty poachers.

This blame-Gridania-first crowd makes me sick!

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Are there still jobs available at the Gridania public relations department?

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Originally Posted by Volsung

Poaching without the forests consent (usually for money or non survival reasons) would probably incur greenwrath, or, anger from the forest. Gridania works for the forest with its permission and tries to protect from the forest. See con and lnc guilds

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But we don't know, it could be survival of sorts, and that doesn't explain why adventurers killing mobs outside of sanctioned Gridania leves and operations are allowed to do so and not marked for death upon doing it.

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Originally Posted by Halvaard_Vidan

Also it seems that those with the Echo, adventurers, don't effect certain things.

We chop down trees for lumber and crow feathers(?), and they still stand.
We Mine away mineral deposits, to find them at the same location later.
Skin a marmot and merely minutes later a new one will appear, I don't think they breed quite that fast.

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Now this one's interesting. Could the Echo have something to do with it? The flipside is, if you do the Gridania starting storyline (spoilers coming), you, as an adventurer, do get infected with the Greenwrath by angering the forest and killing creatures. It's also apparently pretty obvious when you have done so.

That being the case, we can safely assume the poachers are not incurring the Greenwrath, and therefore the "kill on sight" order seems highly unjustified, or we should be getting it a lot more often then we do, and it's a bit of a plothole.

Yes, this is overthinking it, ultimately, you don't need a serious rationale for every quest, you're just supposed to take them at face value. But as one of the few quests asking you to *kill other humanoids*, it does strike me as odd they wouldn't try a bit harder to justify it!

Then again, most MMOs don't go that far in explanations anyway (WoW being pretty guilty of it!).

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

But we don't know, it could be survival of sorts, and that doesn't explain why adventurers killing mobs outside of sanctioned Gridania leves and operations are allowed to do so and not marked for death upon doing it.

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eh? its called a poacher..... meaning one who poaches >.>
No need to matrix things that are what they are, outright.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

eh? its called a poacher..... meaning one who poaches >.>
No need to matrix things that are what they are, outright.

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Nothing Matrix-like here! The facts are a) we don't know their motives and are never told, which may be survival, and b) we poach all the time, with many of our kills being unsanctioned by Gridania (and therefore, the forest). We might not have the name, but we are, practically speaking, poachers ourselves, going by the game's definition of it.

When I'm offered the chance to kill Miqo'te, I savor the moment and don't ask questions.

We kill poachers for the same reason we kill pirates; they're inherent evildoers deserving of death.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

That seems to be what it boils down to! That doesn't even seem explain why we can *randomly* do it, and they cannot. I understand leves being sanctioned, but the various quests unrelated to official business, and all the mobs we randomly slay for drops, SP, or just because we want to are not explained!





Hah hah, hey, I'm FROM Gridania! It's my hometown! I would be doing leves there all the time if my crew wasn't so Ul'dah-attached.

Anyway, yours is the best answer yet. Now, as far as I can tell, in-game we don't know WHY poaching is an offense Gridania imposes a death penalty on, nor do we know the poachers' affiliations, and we don't even know that they don't sell raptor leather back to those leather workers anyway, but it's definitely a lot more reasonable then anything else the game gives us!

I fully concede I'm overthinking this, and, like so many quests in WoW and Rift and XI and PSU, it's just fun sometimes to ask the community about lore issues and see the theories behind it. Heck, the Star Wars community has filled in just about every given plothole in the new trilogy!

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No we do know why, it says in the guildleves themselves that they are picking the forest clean and selling the hides to merchants in the far east (where Garlemond is located).