Game of Thrones reference overload (minor spoilers)

Let's not forget that Snowcloak = the wall, a huge wall of ice seperating the civilised world from the frozen wastes abandoned by most (heretics = wildings in this case) and also seperating the ice zombies from the civilized world.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

Yes, because Game of Thrones invented Trial by Combat.... >_> Oh, and "in the eyes of gods and men" is a very, very common phrase from the historical period. Like as common as "Ladies and Gentlemen".

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There is literally a 0% chance any of these references are coincidental.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Let's not forget that Snowcloak = the wall, a huge wall of ice seperating the civilised world from the frozen wastes abandoned by most (heretics = wildings in this case) and also seperating the ice zombies from the civilized world.

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Western Coerthas was inhabited by citizens of the city-state in 1.0. I don't see how this is a reference to Brandon the Builder's wall.

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

So Ishgard (and to a smaller extent all of ARR) has always been heavily GoT-inspired, especially the localization. Yoshida is a known fan of the show, and clearly that goes for the English team as well. But aren't they taking it a few steps too far now? The whole trial by combat thing was just TOO blatant. They even used "in the eyes of gods and men"! It's to the point where it almost comes off as a ripoff!

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FFXIV's localization is very much like the Ivalice titles (Vagrant Story, FF tactics, FFXII). They've used this sort of dialect before, extensively. Trial by Battle or "in the eyes of gods and men" has nothing to do with GoT. They just borrowed elements from the same culture.


The other stuff just seems to be typical tropes of this kind of conflict. It's frigid, something terrible is coming, people stand watch, corrupt highborn, ect ect.

Naturally, they would borrow references from Game of Thrones, as it's highly popular, the same way they snuck a Frozen reference into Shiva. But I think you're just viewing the tropes here a tad too narrowly. Game of thrones is not original in most of these instances at all, you're just ignorant of where they pulled it from.

Who can spot Lady Stark?

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

Western Coerthas was inhabited by citizens of the city-state in 1.0. I don't see how this is a reference to Brandon the Builder's wall.

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Very little I can say right now due to minor spoilers for anyone that didn't preorder the xpac but since the calamity western highlands turned into a frozen waste, full of ice zombies, just a certain point of view. But it could also just be coincidence.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

FFXIV's localization is very much like the Ivalice titles (Vagrant Story, FF tactics, FFXII). They've used this sort of dialect before, extensively. Trial by Battle or "in the eyes of gods and men" has nothing to do with GoT. They just borrowed elements from the same culture.


The other stuff just seems to be typical tropes of this kind of conflict. It's frigid, something terrible is coming, people stand watch, corrupt highborn, ect ect.

Naturally, they would borrow references from Game of Thrones, as it's highly popular, the same way they snuck a Frozen reference into Shiva. But I think you're just viewing the tropes here a tad too narrowly. Game of thrones is not original in most of these instances at all, you're just ignorant of where they pulled it from.

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You assume too much. I am very knowledgeable about past FF games, as well as real and faux-medieval speech patterns and phrases used in historical as well as fictitious writings.

These are not coincidences. None of them are. These passages in the story are deliberately lifted wholesale from Game of Thrones. I knew people would argue against it because people always argue even the dumbest things. I'm just stating the facts though. This thread isn't for debating whether or not the references are a coincidence - but whether or not we have left "clever reference" territory and ventured into straight ripoff.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

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While it's true that the localization could be called similar to the Ivalice titles, I don't think all of the references in the Dusk Vigil is just coincidental at all. Sure, the phrases have been used before, but that doesn't stop it from potentially being taken from GoT. They haven't been afraid to bash a few over our heads before :P A few more references, just to chalk some more up:

*Tam Tara HM boss attack called "Red Wedding"
*Levequest called "Storm of Swords"
*A character named Eddard in the Lancer questline (and an NPC named Neddard in La Noscea)
*Quest "The Mountain that Strides"
*Quest name "Taking the Black"
*Achievement "Stick Them With the Pointy End"
*The Direwolf mount...and its description (found in a litter with its dead mother)
*Halloween NPC said "The night is dark and full of delightful terrors"
*You must say "High as Honor" for an Ixal quest (the phrase of House Arryn)

The phrase "Seven Hells" is also regularly used. And sure, it can be coincidence, but with so many blatant references I it's not out of the question GoT could be in mind when they're choosing some of the NPC dialogue. It's not the only source, but there is obviously inspiration there and they certainly seem to like drawing from it. Despite my surname, I do think it gets to be a bit too heavy-handed at times :P

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Originally Posted by Takfloyd

These are not coincidences. None of them are. These passages in the story are deliberately lifted wholesale from Game of Thrones.

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You're wrong, sorry Takfloyd. Simply and utterly wrong. Are they coincidences? No, you're right about that. Because they are TROPES. Staples of the genre. Extremely common elements you see in nearly any piece of semi-historical/medieval-like fiction.

Ala Mhigo = Winterfell, if the new voice acting is anything to go by. :)