Tank DPS Ranking prediction.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

DPS as a MT PLD is bringing up the rear for sure. DPS as an OT is going to be really close. Goring blade combo is 920 pot and sword oath is still the biggest game changer.

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yeah but x2 Fell Cleave under berserk, deliverance, internal release, maim and maybe the new drg party buff is 1000 potency in just 5 seconds not including slashing debuff. War will still be the preferred ot due to having storms eye/path and has tp regen now, but until we get some numbers at optimal gear we won't know for sure. That being said I'm constantly crit-ing for 1.5k as drk with darkside, dark arts, souleater and i'm nly 52 atm.

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Originally Posted by wonka11

Thinking PLD is somehow better than Warrior, either because of their stances (they're statistically unimportant, Defiance and Shield Oath break near par), or that Paladin has Bulwark as an additional CD (since their block is now matched by warrior's parry ability), is ridiculous.

IB is on demand, 20% damage reduction, so instead of having to blow a CD to get a 30% dmg reduction (on a single large hit, maybe two if the duration lasts long enough), warriors have it everytime whenever a big hit is coming, which we all know FFXIV tanking rotations revolved around big, predictable, mitigatable hits.

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You take Raw Intuition into account, but you forget Sheltron. Cause 30s cooldown allows you to pop it on every big hit, above one of the big cooldowns.
Biased...maybe ?

I haven't touched my PLD during EA, but when I look on Shield_Oath, it says it reduces damage taken by 25%. Is it a "stealth" upgrade or a typo ?

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Originally Posted by rawker

Fight or Flight, in Shield Oath, is a net gain of 4%.

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If the above link is true, and depending on how damage mutlipiers are applied, Flight Or Fight, at best, negates Shield Oath for 20s. It's basically a quicker Unchained, now, yet WAR still have Berserk on top of it.

WAR dps is so OP now. Was in lvl55 dungeon and tanked miniboss in deliverance and did 600+ dps. Deliverance and Fell Cleave are just so good.

Shield Oath is 20% still I believe. I think it's a typo. 25% would be too good.

Now that PLD has some really powerful WS and WAR gained better mitigation and a big heal, I can't wait for crushing numbers with a WAR MT + PLD OT setup :D

One thing that is very easy to miss is that Warriors lost MT damage capability: Wrath stacks no longer grants crit rate+, they grant parry rate+ now. This very easy to miss because Defiance's tool tip has not been change, but the tool tip on the Wrath buff has.

I don't know the damage output of DRK as a MT yet, but with Berserk and several means of not keeping the damage penalty WAR clearly surpass PLD when in tank stance.
As an OT, it's...more complicated, now.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

One thing that is very easy to miss is that Warriors lost MT damage capability: Wrath stacks no longer grants crit rate+, they grant parry rate+ now. This very easy to miss because Defiance's tool tip has not been change, but the tool tip on the Wrath buff has.

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That's still only a tiny nerf (though an unnecessary one). WAR's MT damage came from being able to ignore Defiance's damage penalty with Unchained, and 300 potency Inner Beasts that also ignored it.

DRK is a DPS machine.

The attacks added to PLD were just so they could keep up with DRK/WAR. Goring Blade's 540 potency gated by a 3 chain combo, and DRK's Scourge, 500 potency stand alone ability. Royal Authority brings the RoH combo up to 237.5 average potency. Dark Arts/Souleatter is 266 and if you want to maintain MP and cut CDs out of the rotation Delirium into DA/Souleatter spam averages to 246.

I'm curious about all out WAR Vs. DRK, but I don't think PLD will be in the equation, PLD has some sexy defensive utility now though in Clemency and Divine Veil.

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Originally Posted by Ipkonfig

DRK is a DPS machine.

The attacks added to PLD were just so they could keep up with DRK/WAR. Goring Blade's 540 potency gated by a 3 chain combo, and DRK's Scourge, 500 potency stand alone ability. Royal Authority brings the RoH combo up to 237.5 average potency. Dark Arts/Souleatter is 266 and if you want to maintain MP and cut CDs out of the rotation Delirium into DA/Souleatter spam averages to 246.

I'm curious about all out WAR Vs. DRK, but I don't think PLD will be in the equation, PLD has some sexy defensive utility now though in Clemency and Divine Veil.

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Don't forget Sword oath (the biggest DPS increase of any JA besides maybe cleric stance)

I haven't played DRK yet but what is their equivalent to FoF/Zerk?

I wish the grind to 60 wasn't so lengthy. I am looking forward to parsing all 3 jobs in 30sec,3,5 and 7 minute intervals for science.

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Originally Posted by Kalma51

@Maero - How would PLD ever top War / Drk is beyond me.

I'm pretty sure that War / Drk will roughly tie each other, with PLD bringing up the rear.

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If you read what Maero said he said PLD tops WAR/DRK in terms of TANKING, which I agree with, their mitigation is incredible.

He said that DRK might outrank WAR in terms of DPS, and he didnt even mention PLD in terms of DPS rankings for obvious reason.

But overall I agree with the OP for the rankings.

DPS
1.) War
2.) Drk
3.) Pld

Tanking ability
1.) Pld
2.) Drk
3.) War