"Healer DPS is not taken into account" for raids

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

This was not incredibly obvious to everyone? Am I the only one who said it?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2810019

(That's the "kicked from halitali for not DPS'ing as a healer" thread in the dungeons forum.)

Look no further than the whine about players wanting Steps of Faith nerfed, and the even louder whine once it was nerfed. Bad players just want to faceroll by minmaxing over the content, and lo and behold what happens when they can't because they aren't supposed to DPS faceroll.

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*Coughs* I called it over a year ago.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

If your DPS is of that ilvl, your party should be able to overcome all mechanics associated with that fight WITHOUT [the healer's] assistance in this regard. If you are forced to DPS as a healer to help "push a fight forward", the fault lies squarely on your lackluster DPS.

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My thoughts has always been very similar to what Cynfael posted in this thread and as FoxyAreku's has said:

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

I've always been of the opinion of "Who cares if it's taken into account, there's literally no reason to /not/ add extra DPS if you can do it without anyone dying".

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But if someone is kicked as a healer for not DPSing, whoever initiated the kick should be slapped. There should be no requirement for a healer to DPS. In the same token, if the opportunity presents itself, the healer should be opting to use all of their toolkit at their disposal to minimize down time.

I think overall, people in general just care about MAD DEEPS! Between Bards who don't want to play their songs so they can keep up with MAD DEEPS and healers that insist that DPSing as a healer is THE only way to play because of MAD DEEPS and tanks who decide to either not use their job crystal or don't use Defiance/Shield Oath for MAD DEEPS, everyone only cares about high numbers and the speed of said numbers.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I think overall, people in general just care about MAD DEEPS! Between Bards who don't want to play their songs so they can keep up with MAD DEEPS and healers that insist that DPSing as a healer is THE only way to play because of MAD DEEPS and tanks who decide to either not use their job crystal or don't use Defiance/Shield Oath for MAD DEEPS, everyone only cares about high numbers and the speed of said numbers.

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All overall good players know that duty completion is priority #1. Usually this involves playing well and maximizing DPS to an extent that is reasonable for each Job or Role while still handling necessary mechanics.

BRDs who don't want to play their songs when it makes sense to use them have entire other threads dedicated to them.

It's not required, but the extra DPS can help beat enrage at lower group ilvls, and skip mechanics to make fights easier than with no extra DPS (faster phase pushes on T10 so you get less charges, 4 bennus on T12 etc.)

A below average healer can do 1 to 2 % of damage that is just lietrally throwing dots up when the tank is at full health and no incoming big damage is and This is without turning on cleric.

An average healer can do about 3 to 5 percent of damage. As much as an LB3 truought an entire fire.

A great healer can do 6 to 10 percent.

An extraordinary healer can get greater than 11 percent

I don't get why people would rather just stand around doing absolutely nothing rather than throwing out some dps. I LIKE that the devs of this game have made it possible for Healers to contribute to DPS as it makes some healing abilities like heal over time and shields more significant. You can let those tick and do their job while you throw out some dps rather then stomping your own hots with direct heals because you have nothing else to do.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

I think overall, people in general just care about MAD DEEPS! Between Bards who don't want to play their songs so they can keep up with MAD DEEPS and healers that insist that DPSing as a healer is THE only way to play because of MAD DEEPS and tanks who decide to either not use their job crystal or don't use Defiance/Shield Oath for MAD DEEPS, everyone only cares about high numbers and the speed of said numbers.

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Well, ultimately the goal of any encounter is to kill the enemy. I don't think you have to be obsessed with "MAD DEEPS!" to recognize the fact that you can't heal the enemy to death.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

I don't get why people would rather just stand around doing absolutely nothing rather than throwing out some dps. I LIKE that the devs of this game have made it possible for Healers to contribute to DPS as it makes some healing abilities like heal over time and shields more significant. You can let those tick and do their job while you throw out some dps rather then stomping your own hots with direct heals because you have nothing else to do.



Well, ultimately the goal of any encounter is to kill the enemy. I don't think you have to be obsessed with "MAD DEEPS!" to recognize the fact that you can't heal the enemy to death.

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Completely off topic but: I loved fights like that in WoW where you had to heal the raid boss or some other important npc in different phases. Also loved healing undead to "death" in FFXI xD.

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Originally Posted by melflomil

A below average SCH can do 1 to 2 % of damage that is just lietrally throwing dots up when the tank is at full health and no incoming big damage is and This is without turning on cleric.

An average SCH can do about 3 to 5 percent of damage. As much as an LB3 truought an entire fire.

A great SCH can do 6 to 10 percent.

An extraordinary SCH can get greater than 11 percent

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Fixed. There's no way a WHM is going to hit 10% at endgame accuracy levels without melding every piece of gear with ACC.

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Originally Posted by Velox

Fixed. There's no way a WHM is going to hit 10% at endgame accuracy levels without melding every piece of gear with ACC.

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I'm not sure how SCH accuracy requirements are different from WHM accuracy requirements if both are aiming for 100% accuracy on all spells (including Miasma, Energy Drain, and Aero). I don't think a SCH can do 10% with uncapped accuracy even with auto-hitting DoTs, but would like to be proven wrong in this respect.

You'll want a fully ACC melded relic, three pieces of gear melded with accuracy, and food for capped T13 for either if you have any real intention of doing DPS as a healer with 100% or near 100% accuracy.

Random edit: Just one more point, if you ABSOLUTELY WANT TO MAXIMIZE SCH DPS you might make the argument to get SCH accuracy high enough for Flank Accuracy so you can auto-attack book while using Ruin II. . . ( which means SCH has a higher ACC requirement than WHM in some twisted convoluted way )

Also, if you're putting out much more than 10% of the raid DPS as healer in T13, chances are either that the rest of your party is significantly less amazing at DPS than you and/or you are milking tons of extra damage on the add phase (which becomes more of a thing when your party can't burst down adds very quickly).