Increasing Cross Class Availability

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

I play as PLD and I never if rarely Inuave TP problems, probs cuz I use shieldnswipe as often as I can and I notice PLds usenshield lob from a short distance and this skill is the main TP eater. If you died in a word run. Then let another tank take over while you get to a OK state again.

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Its more than a simple case of "let another tank take over until you get to an Ok state again." As any experienced MMO player can testify, a tank swap moment due to either the main tank dying, or mechanics, is a critical moment in group content. In the case where you have died and are brought back, how do you know for certain that the other tank has enough tp to last until you're ready? you don't...its a big gamble. Thats a problem that Invigorate would solve, or at least make it significantly less risky.

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Originally Posted by GokuSS400

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That's because Warriors come already with self healing skills (Inner Beast and Storm's Path), plus their Bloodbath lasts twice as long and the effect cant be improved if when using it as a Warrior you pop Unchained and Berserk, giving all of your hits quite the HP recovery.

Both classes are fine now and by the looks of it will be better in the expansion. If you'e problem is running out of TP then you sre simply managing its usage the wrong way. As they are right now, both have skills in GCD that either don't consume or don't use as much as you passively recover.

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Originally Posted by GokuSS400

Its more than a simple case of "let another tank take over until you get to an Ok state again." As any experienced MMO player can testify, a tank swap moment due to either the main tank dying, or mechanics, is a critical moment in group content. In the case where you have died and are brought back, how do you know for certain that the other tank has enough tp to last until you're ready? you don't...its a big gamble. Thats a problem that Invigorate would solve, or at least make it significantly less risky.

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That scenario has been given to me in the Final Coils and its still manageable. Again, TP is not an issue here. Its more concerning the fact thw guy who got resurrected and is just MTing again has less max HP for 2 mins and you know the other tank can't take the boss due to Boss mechanics (let's say Revelation from Phoenix)

Rather than argue about what would or wouldn't be useful and why, I'll just go back to your original question. Originally (version 1.0) player level and class levels were separate. At that time assigning attribute points when you leveled up, for instance, could be a difficult decision because those stats would be added to all classes. Similarly, new skills that you learned (pretty much all if not all of them) were available to be cross-classed with all classes. It could make for some strategic leveling choices. Personally I preferred to get things like cure and protect immediately.

In any case, interesting choices or not, what happened eventually was everyone would be more or less required to level every single class to be included in end game content. Regardless of whatever class you were actually playing you'd have access to every skill and so you could pick the 'best' way to play your class by mixing and matching them all. Eventually jobs rolled out and narrowed down what skills you could cross class while adding job specific skills and stats bonuses that made using a job sensible. This was to make the classes feel different from each other. Several skills were also updated at this time (and many other times).

When 2.0 rolled out they updated the skills again (and the entire combat system) and we still have vestiges of the previous system (like attribute points). While I wouldn't say the cross class system is obsolete, it's pretty stale currently and I'm not even sure if they intend to allow more cross class skills at level 60 or if any new skills will be added to the pool (seems somewhat unlikely).

For the future, OP, you can edit your posts to bypass the 1000 character limit. I know, it's counterintuitive and weird. Live and learn.

As for the topic in question, I also think cross class availability should be extended, especially considering some are things you NEED to cross-class(Hi, Provoke), or it would be very very unwise not to cross-class(Hey there Swiftcast). However, at the same time I think it might be messy because they never intended for that sort of thing, so you'd end up with skills like Blood for Blood and Raging Strikes on the same character. Remember in early PvP when Marauders used to do that? Man, that was rad. Probably not a good idea, but super rad.

Anyway. I think cross-classing and freedom of choice in character build in general should be redesigned from the ground up. In the current game you'd be silly to not play a job over a class in anything except PvP(And those are niche situations anyway, mostly those cuh-raaazy marauders) and generally speaking the only freedom in character choice is gear(Where there will always be BiS), 30 allocated stat points(Which, for most classes, stack 30 in their damage stat anyway), and five cross-skill slots, which every class has a definitive "Set" of, since generally speaking you get to pick... 5 out of around 10 tops, I believe, and some are just really bad(Why is skull sunder even cross-class?!). I feel like there should be more diversity among classes to help choose your playstyle- things that don't have incredibly obvious disadvantages compared to advantages, like 15 INT on an archer.

Though me personally, I think the best avenue for doing this would be to let individual class/job actions have different traits affecting them and let you choose between one of the traits. Like say, make the traits for Flash be Adds Blind/Costs TP instead of MP/Deals 50 potency damage to affected targets. Then get to choose only one with them, with them being reset with a Keeper's Hymn style item. Of course, I also think increased options for cross-class skills, preferably more choices, would also be a step in the right direction.