Stancedancing Techniques

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Meh it only shaves a few minutes on an overall run, only useful if ur planning to do a bunch of dungeon runs but if ur just doing the daily roulette then meh. Heal bot mode activate.

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DPSing as a healer is not about saving time, it's about having fun and not resting my head on one hand while I press a key every 2 seconds like most WHM I see. Or just auto-follow a random party member and let the fairy do all the work while I go shopping for groceries (SCH version). What's the point of playing a game just to die of boredom ?

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Originally Posted by Classikal

My question though, is what kind of limits do you set on yourself to be able to maximize the amount of time you can DPS, while not endangering the party?

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Pretty much what's already been said. Stonesking, Eye for an Eye (if I know the next pull will be bigger then the current one, like the one after the crabs in Keeper of the Lake, then I save it), gauge how fast the tank drops, see if the DPS are stupid and eat every cleave/AOE (the temptation to let them die and show them ho it's done is hard to resist), which means I'll be forced to heal more then necessary, Divine Seal + Regen (refreshed before Divine Seal drops), Virus the hardest-hitting enemy (or a random one) then Holy Spam with Presence of Mind. I've only recently started using Fluid Aura after Aero in boss fights (like Fester after Bio or Ruin²), against ennemies immune to knockback (colossi in Keeper of the Lake,...), or as a finishing blow against a normal enemy.

Maybe I'll test if the added Regen of Medica II helps in bigger pulls, but it will most likely mean unneeded enmity generation. And it makes me cringe when I see another healer use Medica II at the start of a pull. Medica II =/= Succor.

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Originally Posted by spelley

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This sounds good, mostly. I'm a little confused by all the (Lustrate?). I mean, I know why they are there but I'm confused by why the first and second ones are there lol.

Also Cleric Stance doesn't affect E4E, so you don't need to be out of it to use it. Not that I'm saying you thought this, just wanted to point it out because you use it out of it then switch back in.

Haha ppl don't even think.
Ok so as you are "casting" medica 2, the tank should have established some kind of emnity on the mob. Sure ur emnity may dip into yellow but the divine seal medica 2/ regen combo acts as mini cures for the tank after SS wears off = probs by the end of ur cast of medica 2. Which is why u re apply it with swiftcast.
" but ur gonna be building lots of emnity " Lol whattt.. thats what shroud is for too.
MP regen WITH emnity flat reduction. Perfect for the holy spam step.

You guys must have based most of ur knowledge solely on the tooltip than actually testing it out.
Like why lol

@arkaan Dpsing as a healer is for meeting dps checks and to make runs faster. Makes some ppl feel special idk. But surely the majority do not do it for fun. Thts what dps classes r for, having fun from dealing dmg.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

If you enjoy wasting time, however, I suppose that heal bot mode is always an option.

Swiftcast the first Holy.

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Tell that to the healers who feel uncomfortable with dpsing in dungeons. They enjoy wasting their time simply cuz they dont want to dps? Ofc heal bot mode is an option just like how dpsing as a healer is.

Also swiftcast the first holy.
Only effective use i see tht has is in pvp where u can run and stun a group of enemies for casters to lb etc.
if ur tank has stoneskin up, using swiftcast holy just wastes the swiftcast as the GCD will act as if you just casted a normal holy.
PoM holy chain cast is a much better option as u can use that swiftcast to re apply stoneskin etc
Sure it can get that 1st stun out but does it really need to be stunned at the get go. Most monsters will do a few auto attacks before using an aoe.
Like when enemies do cone aoes/ circular.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

enmity

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I'm pretty sure everyone here understands how Shroud works. the issue with what you said wasn't even with the possibility of pulling hate. It's a complete waste of MP and is unnecessary. Why are you even using Medica II when the tank might not have even taken damage? All you will be getting out of it is the regen effect, and most likely only on the tank. That is not what Medica II is for and is bad advice.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

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lol :|

I play WHM all the time. I don't see how I have not tested anything out.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

@arkaan Dpsing as a healer

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So you find it fun to just stand there and cast Cure every 5 seconds? I find stance dancing fun. He was not saying DPSing makes healers fun. It's the ability to weave in and out of healing and doing damage. It requires practice and helps make your job more engaging. It is not only about meeting DPS checks or making a run faster. Those are bonuses, yes, but it's also a pretty big part of being a good healer.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Also swiftcast the first holy.
Only effective use i see tht has is in pvp where u can run and stun a group of enemies for casters to lb etc.
if ur tank has stoneskin up, using swiftcast holy just wastes the swiftcast as the GCD will act as if you just casted a normal holy.
PoM holy chain cast is a much better option as u can use that swiftcast to re apply stoneskin etc
Sure it can get that 1st stun out but does it really need to be stunned at the get go. Most monsters will do a few auto attacks before using an aoe.
Like when enemies do cone aoes/ circular.

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You want to Swiftcast the first Holy so you can oGCD Pressence of Mind then start hammering the Holy button. By the time your 2nd Holy goes off, the mobs will already have been stunned long enough so the 2nd Holy stun isn't resisted due to dimishing returns.

If you're going to Pressence of Mind into Holy, you want to do Holy >> Blizzard II >> Holy >> Holy for maximum stun duration. If you do Holy >> Holy >> Holy the stun duration of the 2nd Holy is lost.

Will agree though that if a tank is doing mass pulls, their (SHOULD) be enough hate being generated to keep all the mobs together on the tank for Medica II enmity to be a non-issue, even with Divine Seal + Medica II >> Cure II >> Regen >> Holy spam

Using Medica II for single target HoT is terrible outside of these niche uses where the extra healing regeneration allows the healer to keep the DPS up harder without affecting their performance (which shouldn't happen greatly in trash pulls).

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Haha ppl don't even think.

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This is beautiful coming from a WHM who thinks Tank accessories on a healer in PvE content is the best things since sliced bread. .-. If you're gonna do that, do it right and get hybrid accessories.

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Originally Posted by spelley

For SCH, I'm still learning the best way to do it myself.

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I can't help much for whm, but..

1) you can time these two at the very end of the last pull with experience

2) I like to swiftcast shadow flare for big pullsm or start with dots and bane on small pulls

3) I would lustrate to extend or swap and stay to avoid the gcd going back

5) miasma 2 is lowest priority and only for large pulls (5+ I think? Otherwise ruin ii is higher dps)

If pulls are really fast, I will sometimes end up slow casting shadow flares in between swiftcast cooldowns. Sounds good though!

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Stuff about Medica II.

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My biggest problem with using Medica as a prelude to Holy is...why? Unless you're going to Swiftcast it (again, better used for Holy or nearly anything else), you're just prolonging the period where the tank takes damage. The trickle of HP from Medica II's HoT is not very likely to make the difference between you being able to continue to DPS or not. However, starting the stunlock cycle before the tank loses much HP certainly can make that difference.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Tell that to the healers who feel uncomfortable with dpsing in dungeons. They enjoy wasting their time simply cuz they dont want to dps?

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When you put it that way...yes. I don't believe in this special snowflake syndrome that exempts healers from doing everything they can to move a run along.

Are you unfamiliar with the content and waiting to learn where you can DPS? Fine. Smart thinking.

Are you familiar with the content and just don't want to DPS because you think it's beneath you? You are lazy. Purposely wasting other people's time is not a play style choice that should be enabled.

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Originally Posted by raela

I can't help much for whm, but..

1) you can time these two at the very end of the last pull with experience

2) I like to swiftcast shadow flare for big pullsm or start with dots and bane on small pulls

3) I would lustrate to extend or swap and stay to avoid the gcd going back

5) miasma 2 is lowest priority and only for large pulls (5+ I think? Otherwise ruin ii is higher dps)

If pulls are really fast, I will sometimes end up slow casting shadow flares in between swiftcast cooldowns. Sounds good though!

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Miasma II is more damage than Ruin II as long as it ticks fully on 2 enemies (70 potency X2 vs 80 potency), and you can still auto attack with Miasma II as well. I Miasma II while the tank is picking up their train to disease mobs so they aren't hitting the tank while their running, but only if the tank has tagged everything and it doesn't prevent mobs from grouping nicely for AoE.

It's interesting how there are so many scholar answers while the question involves white mage :P