This doesn't help the casual player however. Casuals don't have time to go grind for hours, hence why reducing the number of leves doable in the 36hr timeframe isnt a good idea. They could leve it at 16 and everyone will be happy. I mean, wouldn't everyone like it better if you could do 16 leves however you like? Still focus on one if you like, leve total per 36h stays 16.Quote:
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I also did mention that there will be company guildleves added in 1.19 as well. But I'm not trying to be over-optimistic this time, since they haven't talked about them or how many we will be able to do or if it will be combined into the 4 per 12hr limit. However if company guildleves add to the amount you can do over 12 (and at least up to 16) then it will be all good, sorta.
It still would be better if they stop trying to "Phase stuff out" and just add more ways to rank up. It's a waste of time to do all this work to the leve system, when all they needed to do was simply make it save the leves you didn't get to take or do, without reducing the total doable to 12.
And really, who is going to log on every 12 hours to do 4 leves then log off? This change is more likely to keep people who just do leves anyways away til like the weekend. Servers will seem very empty to the hardcore player who jumps on to grind out everything.
In all, the guildleve system and the amount of guildleves doable now is fine as it is for the people who just do those. The saving guildleves skipped is a welcome change, but the reduction of total doable is not welcome.
[dev1134] Combine all instead of spliting?!
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09-13-2011, 04:50 PMReika
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09-14-2011, 03:21 AMEstellios
It's a decent tradeoff for the freedom and being able to focus all your leves in 1 class, which is perfect for low-time players,the intended audience of the system and the revamps.
Since you can solo grind or grind with a small party it's not as large of a time sink, either, especially since they intend for you to level off of enemies the same level/around your level so it would be easier to find appropriate enemies around the aetheryte areas. If they make it rewarding enough the people that have time to play will play even when they have no leves, I know I will. -
09-14-2011, 11:02 PMReikaAs said, it is only a decent tradeoff for some. People who do nothing but leves and/or people who did all 8 regional and 8 local will find themselves with less to do. 16 leves every 36 hrs was just fine for low-time players as well. Unless they plan to increase sp gains of all class types, Overall sp for those people will drop. Hopefull the 'Leve History and evaluation' bonus thingy they have planned will involve more than just a mark/gil reward increase if they still go through with the reduction.Quote:
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09-15-2011, 02:30 AMLienn
I agree. While i am the one who suggested having them all together (because some don't like crafting...some don't like fieldcraft and some don't want to battle...so it should be up to the player to decide where to spend their "leve tags" on...if he wanted 16 local or 16 fieldcraft instead of being forced to go 8-8 it should be possible), i never asked a leve reduction at all. IMO this reduction is a very bad idea...in a try to hit RMTs they once again hit the real players and the change will actually have no effect on RMTs since they can just make more mules if they have less leves.
The original suggestion asked 1 leve tag every 2hrs (6 tags every 12 hrs). They added 1 leve tag every 3hrs (4 tags every 12 hrs). But i do would expect they to increase the amount of tags we can receive once they add the company leves...all based onfeedback.
We originally had the 16 leves/48hrs...just like we will have in 1.19...which means that as people keep tossing feedback they might just reduce it again. -
09-15-2011, 03:10 AMsyntaxlies
although you can only do 4 every 12, i still like the new system. I only did leves like twice a week as it was and i only did regional leves. So when you count in the number of leves ive missed, i will actually be a ble to do more now. the only people who wont like this change are people who actually have the time to do all 16 local and regional leves every reset.
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09-15-2011, 03:23 AMLienn
Yep, but this is for those who actually missed leves...players like me, in other hand, who never miss leves (all times i missed a leve were because i had problem with my PC and wasn't able to play at all) does will fell like they're getting ripped off.
I can say it...i myself am already feeling like i'll be robbed in many aspects of 1.19...which includes the reduction on the amount of leves. -
09-15-2011, 04:42 AMBigcatmanI really don't understand how you're "missing" leves at all. Now, instead of getting 16 per 36 hours (8 for battle/field and 8 for local) you can now focus what you actually want to do with 12 in 36 hours. Unless you're leveling EVERYTHING at once (in which case you're limited in your battle/field leves) then I can see why you're upset. In reality though, you can still level everything at once, you're just slightly limited in your allocation per 12 hour period. To most people (the kinds of people who don't have the circumstances to play 24/7) this is a great system. It seems like they weighed the needs of the many (casuals/semi-hardcore) in favor and not the needs of the few (people like you who have every single class leveled to 50). I for one am very happy with this new system as I'd like to save all of mine for a day off of work and grind out all battle leves, personally.Quote:
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09-15-2011, 04:51 AMCycloptichorn
Am I the only one who thinks that people who NEVER miss a leve, and who spend ALL DAY playing FF14, really need to find something else to do every now and then?
For f's sake, it's a game, not reality. Take a few days off and then you'll have a hard time doing all the leves you want to do.
I would also state that there's plenty to do besides Leves in the game, just use your imagination a bit. I highly doubt that most who complain about there not being enough leves (where you go and beat stuff up) have properly considered the fun in just going out and beating stuff up on your own... -
09-15-2011, 04:56 AMBigcatmanThank you. +1Quote:
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09-15-2011, 04:57 AMNaylia
I really support this change. This will greatly enhance your ability to focus your leve acceptance to the classes you currently care about leveling.
Here's what happens to me today -
- I am in Gridania and I go to the desk
- Get 2 Botany leves for Emmy Moss
- Get 3 Battle leves for my Arc at Emmy Moss
- Get 3 Battle leves for Con at Muy Tuy
- Get 3 Carpenter leves (spread all over the map)
- Get 2 Blacksmith leves (spread all over the map)
- Get a couple other misc crafting leves
So when I leave the city - I end up going out to a camp to essentially level like 5 different classes. Sure I could streamline the number of classes a bit, but to do that I have to visit each and every city state to get rank appropriate leves.
I really love the idea, that if all I want to do is go out gathering today. I can just use all my accumulated leves on one single class. Pick up leves availble - go run then, come back get evaluated, pick up more leves from the same class, rinse, repeat. If I want to use my leves to level just once class than I can! Talk about having the ability to level up as a casual player. If you think you'll never rank up to 50...well then just save all your leves for Saturday and spend the day running 56 leves all on the same class. If 50+ leves run on a single class/week doesn't let you rank up, I don't know what will...
At that rate in the r40s...getting a bonus of 4k/leve (more is possible, this is conservative) plus mob sp for say (6k per leve total). I could easily get 56*6k = 336k sp playing one day a week. That would net you like 3 to 4 ranks in a day while in the 40s....