Duty Finder Kick Penalty

If they had a millions game masters to check complaints of people who got kicked for wrong reasons and are now on penalty, I would like it.
But currently, no, keep it that way.

However, I do think that real life commitments do not excuse you to leave without penalty.
If you are afraid you might have to jump up and leave any moment, don't queue.
Especially if you have a key role, worst case tank, waiting times on a new one do not get shorter if you leave for a "good" or "bad" reason.

If someone ask for kick i always ignore them w/e the reason. I am usually whm so if he was tank i can tank 1 group of mobs and if he is dps can run the dungeon with 1 less dps. If by the end of the dungeon he is back i would kick him there, if he isnt i try to jail them as long as i can. Sometimes they just keep talking but most of the time the jail time trap in a dungeon is more than the penalty for leaving so I'm satify either way.

Getting kicked from duty should not automatically come with a penalty. Some kicks are hardly warranted while still not considered "Vote Kick abuse" - people often get kicked for the silliest things.

However, perhaps something like the daily 3 strike rule on withdrawing from duty could apply to vote kicks. If you get yourself vote kicked more than 3 times in a day, every vote kick after that incurs a 30-60 minute signup penalty until the day's over.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

If someone ask for kick i always ignore them w/e the reason. I am usually whm so if he was tank i can tank 1 group of mobs and if he is dps can run the dungeon with 1 less dps. If by the end of the dungeon he is back i would kick him there, if he isnt i try to jail them as long as i can. Sometimes they just keep talking but most of the time the jail time trap in a dungeon is more than the penalty for leaving so I'm satify either way.

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The "whatever the reason" part is something I strongly disagree with. Sometimes people have legitimate reasons for requesting a vote kick, and when someone has a legitimate reason, it'd be common courtesy to grant their request.

If someone's being a jerk, of course, I totally support your "jailing" strategy. We once had a tank who refused to do his job because the healer accidentally pulled an extra mob once.
He told us to votekick him because he'll get a 5 second queue as a tank anyway, or finish the dungeon on our own while he stands there to get a free clear. We cleared the dungeon up to the last boss, and then we just sat down and waited.
That tank actually decided to wait around until the last 10 minutes of duty. We kicked him then and finished the dungeon with just the three of us.

What's so mind boggling about it, is that he had no reason or incentive to act the way he did. He was being a jerk for being a jerk's sake. He wasted his own time and ours, instead of just doing his job and finishing the dungeon alongside us.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

The "whatever the reason" part is something I strongly disagree with. Sometimes people have legitimate reasons for requesting a vote kick, and when someone has a legitimate reason, it'd be common courtesy to grant their request.

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Can you elaborate on a legitimate reason?

If you have RL stuff to do, do it, eat the penalty, its only 30 min penalty, might be gone when you return or eat the 15 mins or what might be left of the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

The "whatever the reason" part is something I strongly disagree with. Sometimes people have legitimate reasons for requesting a vote kick, and when someone has a legitimate reason, it'd be common courtesy to grant their request.

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If you are going away for more than 20 mins there is no reason for you not taking the penalty. If is only 10 to 15 mins I'm willing to wait but i dont know if the other persons will.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

Can you elaborate on a legitimate reason?

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I once accidentally signed up for duty without inviting my friend, who I intended to sign up with, to my group, and got an instant queue which I accepted before realizing my mistake.

My fault entirely of course, but I politely apologized to the group I was put in and asked them to kindly vote kick me, explaining the situation. They complied after the 5 minutes minimum passed and I thanked them for it.

Not kicking me would've meant I either had to leave, stick it out, or sabotage the group to force a kick. Leaving or sticking it out would've meant wasting my own time and my friend's - asking to be vote kicked hurt nobody, as people tend to get replaced rather quickly in level 50 dungeons thanks to roulettes.

Just tell them fulfilling such request is against the TOS ( aswell as asking to get kicked ofc ) and to eat their lockout. If people reeeally have to afk for such a period of time that a simple "brb" won't suffice then they can just enjoy a 30 minute afk. Anybody asking for kick isn't doing it so they can attend to irl issues they are doing it to get out of that dungeon group so they can instantly go to another.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

snip for char limit....

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You might be only thinking on whats fair to you.
What if you were the tank? You'd be in a new run 10 secs after you left, they'd most likely wait 20 mins.

Like I said, I'm for keeping it as it is, but for the sole reason that there are many aholes running around kicking for wrong reasons and not enough GMs to clean up after them..

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Just tell them fulfilling such request is against the TOS ( aswell as asking to get kicked ofc ) and to eat their lockout.

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Please, provide citation for such a statement, otherwise you are just spewing incorrect facts. I have done some searching and cannot find anything in the ToS that prevents a person from asking to be kicked from a duty.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

If people reeeally have to afk for such a period of time that a simple "brb" won't suffice then they can just enjoy a 30 minute afk.

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If they truly do go AFK for the extended period of time a system kick and penalty are done. It is actually to your own benefit to kick them out, as you will start the timer on a replacement that much faster.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Anybody asking for kick isn't doing it so they can attend to irl issues they are doing it to get out of that dungeon group so they can instantly go to another.

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So, you are calling all players with RL issues, that do take more than a few minutes and less than 30 minutes to attend to liers? What a keen omni-sense you have.
Were you born with this ability? Or, have you cultivated over time?

There was a thread before from a guy who got contacted by a GM because he asked his party to kick him.

It is also face palmably obvious.
T_T ><

Why would they have a system in place to punish ppl for taking the piss with DF, if you could just simply request to leave the dungeon =_=

Also , if you look at the list of options when kicking someone, " the guy here cba and would rather queue something else"....is actually nowhere to be found.

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Originally Posted by ChameleonMS

So, you are calling all players with RL issues, that do take more than a few minutes and less than 30 minutes to attend to liers?

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It's called " brb few minutes" and it is acceptable. There is also a system in place to kick you if you remain afk too long, for a period of time unacceptable.

And if shit happens irl and u gotta afk 15 minutes? well you are only locked out for another 15 minutes. And the guys you left in DF might have queued 30 mins, and didn't get a replacement for you, and maybe due to irl, they now lose out on their dungeon?

Anyways, moving on, hf.