Why did Summoner get Blizzard 2 when they already have a bind?

On long fights, Blizz 2 is horrendous. But while doing trash mobs which will go down quick enough and you can get MP regen before the next pack, there's no reason not to.

Example. Sastasha HM. Tank pulls first two packs (most of the time). DoT > Bane > Swiftcast Shadowflare > Blizz 2 spam > Use last two AF on Energy Drai on the last add that's alive > AF move to next pack and repeat.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

A replacement for removing thunder to give Summoner's more AoE potential to piss Summoners off

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Thunder was worth only about 5% (Maybe less) of your damage back then. It was only worth using with Contagion. When Contagion is down, its was hard to justify using it for its MP cost.

Thunder was too op on Smn they had to replace it with something.

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Originally Posted by Wolfenkritter

Thunder was worth only about 5% (Maybe less) of your damage back then. It was only worth using with Contagion. When Contagion is down, its was hard to justify using it for its MP cost.

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Actually it was a good 12% nerf, because before the nerf summoner was top dps. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...MN-s-need-help

Thunder was removed from Summoner's for the sole reason that with Garuda you could Contagion and keep Thunder up. Which made Summoner's DPS fucking nuts as the end result of it.

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Originally Posted by Wolfenkritter

Thunder was worth only about 5% (Maybe less) of your damage back then. It was only worth using with Contagion. When Contagion is down, its was hard to justify using it for its MP cost.

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Thunder is/was 240 potency (18s dot so 6 ticks, 35 pot ticks, 6x 35 potency, 30 initial hit) skill for 212 mp, while ruin is 80 potency for 79MP, ruin x3 = 240 potency + 237 mp. So you are saying Ruin is also useless and not worth MP.

Even without contagion it was "cheaper" to use, not to mention all the breaks in fights let your mp regen anyway so MP wasnt issue.

But yea, mrhappy guide says it so people will believe it lol. He also says shadowflare is useless apart from opener.

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Originally Posted by mvenom

Thunder is/was 240 potency (18s dot so 6 ticks, 35 pot ticks, 6x 35 potency, 30 initial hit) skill for 212 mp, while ruin is 80 potency for 79MP, ruin x3 = 240 potency + 237 mp. So you are saying Ruin is also useless and not worth MP.

Even without contagion it was "cheaper" to use, not to mention all the breaks in fights let your mp regen anyway so MP wasnt issue.

But yea, mrhappy guide says it so people will believe it lol. He also says shadowflare is useless apart from opener.

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I dunno, I remember it murdering my MP. This was in T4 though... where I would cast it on everything that moves anyway so... eh.

I distinctly remember Mr. Happy's Summoner guide being completely terrible. I recall it promoted Ifrit use... back when Ifrit was even worse.

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Originally Posted by Lycelle

Thunder was removed from Summoner's for the sole reason that with Garuda you could Contagion and keep Thunder up. Which made Summoner's DPS fucking nuts as the end result of it.

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Yet they released the monstrosity that Ninja DPS was and still is with even less of a care for resources. Consistency is not their forte.

It's a replacement from thunder, but at the same time show how useless tri-disaster is. Ever since we can use Blizzard 2 it just shown no purpose other than just for bind....once. At that point the only big thing I kept asking is to buff it to be useful to replace blizzard 2 as a cross class. To AoE at a distance instead of closed in.

For thunder being contagion, I never really thought that it would work at the time, but potent poison pot seems to be the replacement.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Yet they released the monstrosity that Ninja DPS was and still is with even less of a care for resources. Consistency is not their forte.

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I guess at the time they wanted all classes to be balance, then ninja came out. Dragoon need it a buff, so along with patching dragoon's magic defense they buff it's abilities as well. I have a funny feeling that the Dev team didn't know that buffing dragoon would make it so ridiculously good.