Suggestion - Role swapping in instance

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Originally Posted by Amelia_Pond_Behemoth

What's the worst that could happen? The tank doubles the amount of time he's in the queue? Zero times two is still zero.

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Tank enters into the dungeon and swaps to DPS.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Tank enters into the dungeon and swaps to DPS.

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If it's only for in-progress dungeons that have been waiting for a replacement for over 1 minute (must be longer than the Commend count down), then why not?

Regarding the proposed system:

If a DPS has enough gear for the content in the first place, why would he/she queue as DPS? I would just queue tank. Why would anybody choose to queue half-hour DPS if he/she has a geared tank available for instant pop?

The only logical situation is when leveling (e.g. have 50PLD but want to level 19ARC) and gearing (e.g. have iLv120 PLD and want to gear iLv100 WHM). In which case the system necessarily need to allow for two things:

• All experience earned are awarded to and calculated according to the job you queued as and its level.
• All loot rolls are determined by the role you queued as.

Otherwise swapping out of DPS mid-content beats the whole point of queuing as DPS in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Lycelle

I would like this feature. But the problem is, you'd still be down one person, which might screw with people who are in queue. Say for instance.

Queue in as a DPS for Halatalii HM.

You're in the dungeon. Tank decides to dip. You then commence a role swap. The tank who was in queue for that spot might end up getting screwed due to the role swap happening. So you'd need to wait on a DPS to fill the slot in that you originally had when you first got into the instance.

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If tank was queued he should be assigned to that spot but if there is no tank queued then why keep the party waiting?

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Originally Posted by Fenririon

If tank was queued he should be assigned to that spot but if there is no tank queued then why keep the party waiting?

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Its also not even necessary or said that there WAS a tank in queue and someone whos actually in the dungeon has taken his slot - you still have to hit the button to search for a replacment. If you dont do that no one will come, no ones place will get "stolen". I'd really liked a feature like that though! Maybe even along with the "search for a replacment"-option - like the game is asking if someone wants to switch. Sometime I'll go into a duty as bard - to get light, because I'm tired of tanking or to tired to tank, whatever. But if we're halfway through the dungeon I totally wouldnt mind to safe the run by switching to my pally. Hell, sometime I LEFT a duty as dps to return as tank...

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Originally Posted by Vidu

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I'm not sure if you quoted him to answer him or not, but Fenririon was actually on the same side of the fence as you, he was answering Lycelle's last sentence.

But your point is still valid and I too would love a feature like this.

Only issue I'd see popping up is people swapping roles at the last moment to boost their shot in getting gear, screwing out someone else.

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Originally Posted by Iagainsti

As a tank, I always queue my roulettes with the Party in Progress selected. Loved getting a quick 2/3 expert for my alexandrite daily or quick Light. Not to mention ppl just love ya when you pop in to save the day.

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More often than not queuing in a in-progress duty rewards you with these things I have experienced so I don't use it anymore.

A) People trolling the dungeon; had a whole alliance once trolling ST.
B) People that are hopeless and can't complete a simple thing like Titan HM
C) Other manner of trolling or someone being a jackass etc.

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Originally Posted by Lycelle

I would like this feature. But the problem is, you'd still be down one person, which might screw with people who are in queue. Say for instance.

Queue in as a DPS for Halatalii HM.

You're in the dungeon. Tank decides to dip. You then commence a role swap. The tank who was in queue for that spot might end up getting screwed due to the role swap happening. So you'd need to wait on a DPS to fill the slot in that you originally had when you first got into the instance.

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Well once you are searching for replacements you aren't allowed to switch classes; otherwise you are free to switch and then look for replacemt. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Only issue I'd see popping up is people swapping roles at the last moment to boost their shot in getting gear, screwing out someone else.

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Solved by not allowing you switch roles once the duty has ended. Any negatives can be circumvented using a variety of measures.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Only issue I'd see popping up is people swapping roles at the last moment to boost their shot in getting gear, screwing out someone else.

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This is the third time this comment has fell in this thread, but people are not seeing what the (and don't take offense) common sense stance was...

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So as long as they add the feature to where the party can decide on who assumes which role after the tank/dps/healer leaves, and then the leader chooses to replenish ranks, that would be ok.

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Basically, the swap would only come in to play, when someone leaves the instance and before the replenish ranks message.