Sacred Soil

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

But wouldn't ''handling it properly'' mean mitigating it properly ? You're farming T13 now and have been so in no means am I telling you how to play the job because you have it down apparently. I don't like the views you have of Sacred Soil and I just say anything in your power of mitigation to help the next person (in all cases is the WHM) is to help make their job easier regardless the circumstance lol I mean I still mitigate on T9 farm parties , granted I only use Sacred Soil on Mega Flare (T9) but still its the job. I dunno to each his own, I respect your views and we both could be right in different situations my friend.

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I kind of agree with you. Even if something will not kill you outright, why would you avoid using Sacred Soil if the opportunity came up to use it? It would make healing everyone a lot easier, which can help to cause less stress. I see maybe if you have an issue with using the stack of AF, but still...

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

But wouldn't ''handling it properly'' mean mitigating it properly ?

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Handled properly is not getting one-shotted beyond mitigation, not overhealing/buffing for every possible thing.

The incoming damage is predictable when everyone's doing the mechanics dance, and WHM can deal with the bulk of the raid damage and keeping tanks alive with SCH pet for 90% of the encounters, which leaves the SCH free to heavily focus on DPSing while popping the odd lustrate/adlo.

I just rarely see use for Soil. Outside of LB2-Tera and Mega>Giga, only other spot in T13 I'd use one is the Giga+Akh#3 combo.

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I only use Sacred Soil on Mega Flare (T9)

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Back when you needed full stoneskin for mega flare, yeah, soil and covenant were a necessity to survive it, but not these days. With echo, if you overbuff for mega you miss out on a ton of free LB bar build-up from critical damage, which a WHM can heal up solo with DS-Med+Med2.

They are % based mitigation therefore they are always scaling with the exception of stoneskin since it's effectiveness is tied to target hp it's semi-scaling. Raid damage both (single and AoE) isn't staying the same is also increasing with newer endgame content.

edit:There's no logic in the argument you are making ost. On one hand you point out that heals are getting stronger and then say that mitigation should also get stronger...um...hello balance. It's like a tank saying "My HPs are getting super high nao, but my CD %s are not increasing".

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Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar

Forgive me if this sounds impudent, but does it trouble anyone else that no matter how high MND gets, Sacred Soil percentage reduction doesn't get higher?

Heals and DoTs get stronger, but Sacred Soil, Eye for an Eye, and Stoneskin remain fixed percentages. It makes job abilities feel very stagnant despite increasing gear values.

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They scale automatically because they are percentages.

The potency values of heals and dots are based on percentages too. They're just hidden a bit better.

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Originally Posted by Kaisha

I just rarely see use for Soil. Outside of LB2-Tera and Mega>Giga, only other spot in T13 I'd use one is the Giga+Akh#3 combo.

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Rarely sew Use ?
You just named using it in at least 2 out of the 4 phases that's pretty consistent. Neither here nor there at the end of the day opinions are opinions. I applied not using Sacred Soil as much in 13 in my statics raid last night and the survivability was quite the same other than my WHM having to heal up a bit more but it was good to have some free stacks for dps healing, so I can def agree with your argument on some points but others eh not so much maybe once my group is as good as yours I may not have to mitigate so much. I still think its the bread and butter of the job.

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

I still think its the bread and butter of the job.

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It's hard to consider Soil a bread and butter move when it's almost never useful outside of FCOB and even then is discretionary depending on your raid's max HP.

The fact that it can't coexist with Shadowflare from the same caster makes it even more of a niche move for content where you could use it for fun and convenience but do better not to.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

It's hard to consider Soil a bread and butter move when it's almost never useful outside of FCOB and even then is discretionary depending on your raid's max HP.

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I stated mitigation is our bread and butter which is the use of Sacred Soil not solely just that action. Guess I could have clarified it better.

Your sole purpose as a SCH is to mitigate damage period point blank and heal it back up. Bread and butter.
No matter the minimal gain it might be its the job,Just because it saves across the board maybe 150-200hp per player
That's probably a mega flare +2 tower that you just survived or any situation for that matter.

Its almost never useful outside of FCOB?
You can say that about any progressing content


In First Coil it was good but not needed now
2nd Coil it was good but not needed now
FcOB it's needed (As per Kaisha it isn't a necessary move , unless you're starting out.) to each's own
But you see where I'm going with this ?

Pretty soon in Alexander people will be calling for it until they're geared and feel survivability doesn't require it, but that could be the said the same about succor or any move for that matter you do it just to make a QoL and easier on yourself. A i130 Tank can go into a dungeon and say hey I have a i120+ healer I won't use any of my CDs because my HP doesn't require it, yeah you will survive but its a nack in the healers day. Just a point im trying to get across

My point is that Sacred Soil has been niche for a very long time. Only in most cutting edge of progression content is it deemed very useful, and even then only for specific mechanics.

Also, no matter your role, the job is to complete the content. To that end Sacred Soil is not often the optimal choice. It's hardly useless, but there are usually better options.

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Originally Posted by Cynfael

Also, no matter your role, the job is to complete the content. To that end Sacred Soil is not often the optimal choice. It's hardly useless, but there are usually better options.

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Well said [insert clapping in agreement gif]

May we have fun in future content GL ALL !

Sacred Soil is like the WHM job :

Pretty much essential during progression, but once you start out-gearing content, both are thrown away in favor of MOAR DPS (Energy Drain and solo healing respectively), and then people complain why Sacred Soil and WHMs are so useless.