Abuse for being a new player, any solution?

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Originally Posted by FranSeara

Using DF for any fight is traininng grounds. How else can you learn the fight?

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Fun fact: In Japan, it's actually expected you know what you're getting into when you use the Duty Finder; and it's expected you use Party Finder to seek people out to teach and learn.

Anyway, sorry about the harassment you experienced. Titan Extreme in Duty Finder though is never a good time. It's tricky to clear if a DPS goes out for most groups; it's near-impossible for random groups of players to clear it if a tank or healer goes. As a result, a lot of players have very little patience for the fight (especially having been stuck on it for months due to how punishing it can be).

Just speaking from experience, learning parties through the PF have typically been smooth, you can adjust everybody to the one strat and keep going with familiars should the time run out. They still exist as I've progressed my alt through the EX chain in learning parties last week. Many people in DF usually take this "everybody sucks but me" mindset and seem to have difficulty adjusting to anything out of their comfort zone/favorite youtube video, and aren't interested in compensating for any mistakes, let alone take on anybody new.

DF parties for primals on JP servers consists of tries worth 15 minutes, if you cannot get the primal down in 15 minutes there is a vote abandon. That imo is a lot better than doing what this tank had done, everyone gets hit by Titan on their first go.

How come NA servers do not follow this 15 minute rule?

I got to say the more I hear about Japanese server rules, the more baffled I am. They sound terrible. Quit if things hit x timer... never use DF if you are not experience, force the use of the PF for new players... honestly... it sounds terrible (and cant even believe it is true.)

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

I got to say the more I hear about Japanese server rules, the more baffled I am. They sound terrible. Quit if things hit x timer... never use DF if you are not experience, force the use of the PF for new players... honestly... it sounds terrible (and cant even believe it is true.)

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And being bullied because you are new is any better?

Both are forms of bullying.

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Cant reply because forum rules and me opting to leveling many jobs instead of rushing one to 50, so reply here:

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Originally Posted by DoubleD

I notice a lot of times the new players have this mentality of being the victim and world is against me, and a sense of entitlement for some reason. Its just culture on JP servers that Duty Finder is usually for quick kills.

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I would start by saying that is the point. Why? Because the culture is VERY different. In western MMOs, not just this one, tools like the Dungeon Finder exist to help people find random groups when they don't have the networking to just create a static group. If you want efficiency, you go static/pre-formed. If you want to test your luck, then you gamble to join up with total random strnagers in the DF.

I could see it working out *IF* the JP community is much more friendly and willing to recruit players using the Party Finder, but western culture is that the Party Finder seems to be used nearly exclusively for open world activities or selling EX/Coil runs.

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I'm sorry about your experience with getting bullied, but I don't know why you would feel voting to Give up after 15 minutes is bullying or terrible.

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It has not been MY experience because I am not high level enough to be doing EX runs or Coils or all that stuff, plus I roll tank and healer. But I been in groups with first time players that would have been devastated had I treated them with those expectations. I had 5 wipes in Haukke Manor the other night, and even got a time running out warning. That is a group of new players that would have had their first run ruined if we just gave up on them.

15 minutes may sound like a long time to take a single boss, but it can be nothing compared to the extremely long wait times DPS classes are forced to endure in the DF, a separate topic but one that complicates the idea of just killing a party and cheating those guys of 2 hours of their lives, just because of 15 minutes of yours. Only point I may vote for disband, kick or just leave is if some are being rude asses badmouthing everyone.

The way I see it, it is better to be stubborn in a run until time runs out or we pull through, resulting in 1-3 players becoming much better at the game. The proportional amount of bad players will keep increasing the more they are bullied and treated like garbage.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

I got to say the more I hear about Japanese server rules, the more baffled I am. They sound terrible. Quit if things hit x timer... never use DF if you are not experience, force the use of the PF for new players... honestly... it sounds terrible (and cant even believe it is true.)

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I play on a JP server, but this is a very peaceful method in my opinion. Rarely is the new player bullied. If he cause a wipe, experienced players will generally give a few pointers without bad mouthing him. 95% of the time, no one gets insulted or badmouthed. If its to the point where it's not possible to clear, someone will initiate the Give Up feature after 15 minutes. Not sure whats so terrible about this.

I notice a lot of times the new players have this mentality of being the victim and world is against me, and a sense of entitlement for some reason. Its just culture on JP servers that Duty Finder is usually for quick kills.

Most people in JP server join a DF expecting to get a kill. If one or two people is the reason the other 6 or 7 people cannot get their kill, what is wrong with pushing the give up button after 15 minutes? How is this bullying. We give the new person pointers. We try to help clear. But it is too bad to the point that we can't. Is the new person entitled to waste everyones time just because he is new? At least the JP servers will generally be friendly and help out all they can in that 15 minutes before the give up vote.

Yes, there are the minority asses that badmouth, but that happens everywhere and is more a reflection of that specific person and not a group of people.

Trials/Coils usually appear on the DF after they become steamrollable content. Before that they are usually pre-formed party only.

I'm sorry about your experience with getting bullied, but I don't know why you would feel voting to Give up after 15 minutes is bullying or terrible.

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Most people in JP server join a DF expecting to get a kill.

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This is basically it. It largely has to do with cultural differences. In the west typically everyone has an "I'm here for me" attitude, which means that when you mix a random group of people together, some are going to be there intending to clear right away and get done - and others are going to be ready to wipe for an hour to learn the fight blind. A different attitude towards community in Japan however generally leads to people sharing an understanding that they're all there to get it done and cleared; while help will be offered, it's expected and understood that you're ready for what you're getting into. If it's not meshing, it will end quickly and move on.

We need: /givesonefingersalute. Any chance on getting that emote in the game, I find it would be very useful, especially in this situation.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

This is basically it. It largely has to do with cultural differences. In the west typically everyone has an "I'm here for me" attitude, which means that when you mix a random group of people together, some are going to be there intending to clear right away and get done - and others are going to be ready to wipe for an hour to learn the fight blind. A different attitude towards community in Japan however generally leads to people sharing an understanding that they're all there to get it done and cleared; while help will be offered, it's expected and understood that you're ready for what you're getting into. If it's not meshing, it will end quickly and move on.

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It's like that in other games and MMOs as well in Japan. I look at DF as "I know how to do my part to help clear this".