RMT + Cash Shop = Not as bad as one might believe?

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

If you've got some compelling arguments on why RMT would actually be really bad in this case,

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One argument is that there is now a $/gil exchange rate.

Say a pair of wedding bands costs $40 or 20 mill gil (for argument's sake). If RMT can offer 20 mill gil for less than $40, it makes more sense to buy the gil from RMT directly (fears of account compromise/banning etc notwithstanding) than to buy the bands from SE. There's no real moral argument against it as SE are ok with you effectively buying gil as long as it is from them.

Thriving illicit RMT causes economy hyperinflation. Anyone who played XI circa 2005-2008/9 knows all about this. Scorpion Harnesses went from 1 mill to 25 mill+ in the space of months. At that point you had to grind for months to get that much gil or, (as many people did) bot your own gil or buy from RMT otherwise you would be left behind.

Now there are some big differences that could mitigate this: There are no 'must have' pieces in XIV that are available through gil only. Sure, the min-maxers use penta-melded crafted i110s, but they are optimal, not necessary.

One thing this game does have though, that XI didn't is a housing crisis. On Balmung I believe (someone can correct me if I am wrong) there are no medium houses available, only large. There are no plans to introduce new housing wards or plots until after 3.0. Right now it's a race to get the gil for a large house before they are all gone too. Now someone can get that gil indirectly through the cash shop. A regular player has little to now chance to get a house now on Balmung for at least 6 mo+. That's an impact.

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Originally Posted by Verlyn

You'll have to deal with people who bought their wins with or without the advent of this wristlet.

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So it is OK for the issue to be exacerbated? Pretty pathetic logic there...

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Originally Posted by Verlyn

These are just excuses. If you're serious about progression, you'll make the time. Otherwise, your choice in who you run with is going to be limited. You'll have to deal with people who bought their wins with or without the advent of this wristlet.

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Wrong they are not excuses. Not everyone has all the free time in the world like you seem to have. I've had my own static before, and clearly you seem to not have run your own. Replacing people is harder than you imply mainly because of time differences. Just because you seem to have no life doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiZero

When you got someone that's in your coil group who shouldn't be there because he sold all those items for gil and bought all his wins... then ends up in your group and holds you back.. lets see what you have to think after that.

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You could say the same thing about people that farm for poetics for the poetic gear. People have been able to purchase gil from RMT's for a good while now and it really hasn't hurt the game that much, but the second that SE come up with a way to do the same thing everyone seems up in arms about it. Honestly I would rather support SE than some random RMT website that does who knows what with my money.

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Originally Posted by Kuolema

You could say the same thing about people that farm for poetic gear. People have been able to purchase gil from RMT's for a good while now and it really hasn't hurt the game that much, but the second that SE come up with a way to do the same thing everyone seems up in arms about it. Honestly I would rather support SE than some random RMT website that does who knows what with my money.

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1) How do you know RMT hasn't hurt the game? Do you know what the game would be like without RMT? Are you unaware of the mass Gil removal a lot of legitimate players faced due to RMT? Do you know how much they'd have charged for housing if RMT Gil wasn't in circulation?

2) SE didn't come up with this way to do the same. They've even outright told people not to do this. This is a case of SE making a mistake and letting players abuse it, just like the old Black Mage exploit for Garuda in 1.0. I'd expect something similar to the Salvage bans from duplicating gear in XI back in the day, but I really doubt SE will take such a hard stance on this.

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Originally Posted by Kuolema

You could say the same thing about people that farm for poetics for the poetic gear. People have been able to purchase gil from RMT's for a good while now and it really hasn't hurt the game that much, but the second that SE come up with a way to do the same thing everyone seems up in arms about it. Honestly I would rather support SE than some random RMT website that does who knows what with my money.

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You could cap your poetics without even trying by just doing expert roulette once a day. Not very time consuming. I rather not support the 'lesser of two evils' but an honorable company. FF11 did fine without that crap and is still going.

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Originally Posted by Verlyn

After what happened when one item was salable in game, a change to this sort of dynamic would have to be slow.
Needless to say, I'd probably avoid the forum for a few months because I'm not interested in reading all the whining anymore.

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Indeed. Happily playing Final Fantasy XIII-2 on PC. (And it's like, 80% Less "Hallway" than the first.)

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Originally Posted by Nalien

So it is OK for the issue to be exacerbated? Pretty pathetic logic there...

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The issue will not be exacerbated. I'd argue instead that it's not going to change anything at all. Bad players will be bad and no wristlet in this world will make them better or worse. Using them as a causation when there is only a correlation is terrible logic, if you want to go that route.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiZero

Wrong they are not excuses. Not everyone has all the free time in the world like you seem to have. I've had my own static before, and clearly you seem to not have run your own. Replacing people is harder than you imply mainly because of time differences. Just because you seem to have no life doesn't mean everyone else doesn't.

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Incredible. I'm not even going to justify that mess with a response.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

1) How do you know RMT hasn't hurt the game? Do you know what the game would be like without RMT? Are you unaware of the mass Gil removal a lot of legitimate players faced due to RMT? Do you know how much they'd have charged for housing if RMT Gil wasn't in circulation?

2) SE didn't come up with this way to do the same. They've even outright told people not to do this. This is a case of SE making a mistake and letting players abuse it, just like the old Black Mage exploit for Garuda in 1.0. I'd expect something similar to the Salvage bans from duplicating gear in XI back in the day, but I really doubt SE will take such a hard stance on this.

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I could say how do you know that RMT has ruined the game? People will always find a way to exploit games and look for the easy way. It is just the fact of life.

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

Honestly, I'm not really sure why people are flipping out about people being able to sell promise wristlets for gil.

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I'm honestly curious as to why this whole thing is being blown out of proportion too. It's a fight of who has the loudest opinion and who can throw the most number of insults cramped into a single post at this point and it pretty much prevents actual discussion from taking place. Either people care too much, or care too little, or maybe just don't care. At this point, I can't be bothered anymore. I find it pretty interesting that the players are selling the Bracelets well below what the actual RMT are offering for the same amount. lol