ING2 vs INN

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Originally Posted by xPeAcEx

I would have thought this was common sense and implied if you bothered to read the entire post but i'll add it in anyways.

Innovation is only good when you don't have any stacks of IQ and losses effectiveness as your control increases when compared to an ING 2 proc because ING 2 scales off of you current control while Innovation only scales off of your base control.

Unless there was a patch to readjust the level penalty, ING 2 should not change how much quality you get in 3 star and 4 star but i haven't done a 4 star in a while so i'll check and confirm your proposed stats.

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ING does increase quality by a bit, since apparently quality increases are also influenced by level difference. How much it actually increases is a different story, and whether or not does it justify the 32 CP cost.

Some numbers for BB, 407 control, first number is IQ count, some numbers may be off by 1 due to calculations after Good condition/Great Strides:

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3*        base        INN        INGII        INN+INGII
08        717        869        813        985
09        842        1008        955        1143
10        978        1159        1108        1314
11        1125        1321        1275        1497

4*        base        INN        INGII        INN+INGII
08                866        763        924
09        840        1005                 
10        975        1156        1040       
11        1122

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I usually go for innovation because it is cheaper. Honestly, what is even better than ING2 is to stretch your craft out longer and get more touches. One more successful touch will net you more benefit than either of those skills will. I used to try to save enough cp out to do ing2 and inn. Now I make sure I have enough for gs, bb, and sh, and will take chances purchasing durability for more touches. If I get some good conditions and have enough for inn and ing2, great. If not, I'm better off finishing at 10 stacks without them than at 8 stacks with them.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Some numbers for BB, 407 control, first number is IQ count, some numbers may be off by 1 due to calculations after Good condition/Great Strides:

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So Innovation is indeed better in all cases for 3* and 4* crafting. Good to know