Dungeon ditch timer needs to go.

You are free to leave the group at any time you want. Few choices we make have zero consequences.....especially when they affect others.

On a related note if you end up in that many bad groups (bad mouthing, misvehavior, ninja looting LOL) then maybe it is time to look in the mirror. The vast mahority of DF groups I have been in consist of a few "hellos" at the beginning and a few "gj ty" at the end. If you end up in enough groups of "bad mouthing" that this would matter I am speculating it may be due to an entitled/selfish attitude from one of the 4 members in your group....of which you are the only common denominator.

Not a system problem, but a problem with a community.

DF generally works fine on JP data centers but on NA data centers.......

I don't know about you, but I don't really like it when people leave dungeons whether it's right at the beginning or in the middle or at the end. Unless a session is going REALLY terribly (like basically impossible to advance). It'll be pretty often that you will find someone in a dungeon that doesn't know their role. So what, you get to just keep going in and out of duties until you find a group you like? How many groups get abandoned in your wake? How many groups get left without a fourth player because it's just so easy and convenient to leave? Sorry, I don't agree with this at all. If you're leaving dungeons often enough that the penalty bothers you, then you're too quick to pull the trigger and the penalty is there to discourage you from that.

I don't know what OP means by ninja looting? But you never know why someone rolls need. Some people want to be able to SB stuff or sell it for money. I'm a lv66 WHM and I went to Qarn so I could get some lv35 WHM gear for my retainer.

Ninja looting is where you either get what you want, or not, and pop smoke after a boss fight leaving people behind without so much a word on why. First boss fight is down, healer gets what they want from it, then leave. Now you are sitting wondering where you're next healer is coming from, or tank, w/e.

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Ninja looting is where you either get what you want, or not, and pop smoke after a boss fight leaving people behind without so much a word on why. First boss fight is down, healer gets what they want from it, then leave. Now you are sitting wondering where you're next healer is coming from, or tank, w/e.

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ah thank you.

so... wouldn't getting rid of the timer just make ninja looting MORE of a problem? In making it easier for yourself to leave a duty, you make it easier for EVERYONE to abandon. Which seems like one of the things you take issue with.

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Ninja looting is where you either get what you want, or not, and pop smoke after a boss fight leaving people behind without so much a word on why. First boss fight is down, healer gets what they want from it, then leave. Now you are sitting wondering where you're next healer is coming from, or tank, w/e.

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Not that it really matters in the context of the thread, but this is not the activity that ninja looting refers to. It's a (honestly morally debatable) term people use to describe someone that essentially "steals" drops; think that you've just tanked T5, and the healer rolls Need on your Allagan Battleaxe. Since you can't roll Need if you're not the class, it drastically cuts down on the ninja'ing, which is why the first couple of responses were along this vein.

There are other ways of stealing loot, but the overarching term to describe it is ninja looting. (we just called it loot stealing back in the day)

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Nowadays people just use it to rage at people using the system (example : HA geared tank rolling need on Divine war gear when a dps wanted it for whatever the reason). That's just a childish way to say "They got what I wanted although I didn't want to secure it by going in the right job"

And now that we can't vote dismiss people when the loot pool is active, there is no remaining way to "ninja" loot in this game.

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Nowadays people just use it to rage at people using the system (example : HA geared tank rolling need on Divine war gear when a dps wanted it for whatever the reason). That's just a childish way to say "They got what I wanted although I didn't want to secure it by going in the right job"

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Or a little communication. Before the boss fight speak up and tell the party your intentions. "I plan on Greeding X. Do you guys mind if I take it?" More often than not members will be inclined to acquiesce to your request.

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Or a little communication. Before the boss fight speak up and tell the party your intentions. "I plan on Greeding X. Do you guys mind if I take it?" More often than not members will be inclined to acquiesce to your request.

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aye sure, but unless they specifically agree to let you have it, it's only a matter of being rude or not. If they specifically agreed to let you have it however, you can always fill a ticket for (can't remember the category in which it is) (maybe grief) and it will be answered. **


edit : ** : only if the chat logs can prove ALL the other players agreed to let you have it, or at least the one who over rolled you

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