FF14 Frontline Rules TGS 2014 Edition

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Originally Posted by tehomegaking

Summoners real problem is it's burst. That and the fact that I can just drop a pet on 1 healer, and leave him auto attack and watch him control the healer via cast interrupt. Not really sure why a range class has so much burst capability, instant cast chain bursts at that. Very little setup needed too. Once you get off 1 hardcast, you're pretty much guaranteed to dot up 50% at least of your enemies.

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It's quite sad when the populous think SMN has the best burst in PvP, i'm afraid they have nice burst but it will never trump a BLM burst; Depending on Procs of rng. SMN'er (Bio II, Miasma, Bio- Fester. Rouse/Spur. Enkindle/ Wither/Aetheric Burst & simultaneously applying dots sure creates massive pressure. But I would have to say BLM trumps SMNer burst hands down. BLM. with relatively LOW CD's FIre III/ fire (RNG Proc Firestarter Fire III) Phantom Dart- Swiftcast "Flare" Aetheric Burst if not finished- Move to Next target Rinse repeat Fire III to Fire until prof (Cancel Christmas My friends). BLM's are much more powerful than SMN'er in PvP. Their Pet AI is just down right idiotic.

Fyi SMN pets cannot interrupt other than Garuda's knockback or Ifrit stun. Pets are joke to healers atleast to me they are.

P.S SMN- Burst interval is very long other than Fester combo's

P.S BLM if wanted Fire III- Flare- Convert- Flare- Mana Draw- Flare. I think that sums it up.

I don't think anyone has said summoner has the best burst? It's not the best, but it's the main problem for the class imo. It's burst for what I see as a ranged sustained pressure class, is just crazy high.

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Fyi SMN pets cannot interrupt other than Garuda's knockback or Ifrit stun

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Are you sure about that? You're probably right, as it's not my class and one of my least played, so not much experience on it, but I've had a few experiences where I'd set a ifrit on a heal, and he'd just fail to cast... I unno, maybe they just really sucked :p

Are you sure thats translated right? I feel like they are saying if you are a summoner then before the game starts you can switch to a dif class if you want not that you can't play.

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Originally Posted by Vittorino

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Bruh, you forgot the Energy Drain x2(300 potency) and Ruin II(80 potency). Umm L2Control Pet.
Btw for someone who knows so much about SMN, you should know when the pets crits it interrupts cast
Smn burst is stronger than BLMs' just accept it, you clearly don't know how to perform it well is all. They both have their place and are hated by all when seen.

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Originally Posted by Chrisbox

Are you sure thats translated right? I feel like they are saying if you are a summoner then before the game starts you can switch to a dif class if you want not that you can't play.

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I don't think so, this is the original :

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・召喚士を除く8ジョブで1チームだが、召喚士でプレイしたい場合は、申し出ればDPS内で入れ替えが可能。

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This sentence is straight forward, 8 jobs per team except Summoner, but if you want to play Summoner, please change into one of the DPS.

申し出れば means in hope to, unless there is other meaning that I am not aware of.

Quote text basically is translate to "if you initially want to play in tournament and plan to use summoner, you are allow to switch to any other dps class since summoner not allowed"

This not direct translate but the point remain the same. Direct translate is worded different but point is same. Summoner is exception and you are allow to switch if you still want to participate?

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

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hmmm... yummy! XD

well SMN burst is easily avoidable since you can remove dots with Purify, remove Aetherflow stacks with One Ilm Punch, interrupt casts, silence Surecast/equanimity, knockback surecast/equanimity, stun surecast/equanimity, Reduce cast time 20%, get out of range, get behind walls/pilars etc. Black Mage have heavy + sleep + Aetheric manipulation that make u harder run away and they get more benefits from Swiftcast. I do not say who is stronger, I just think they are kinda equal. Summoner have good sustained damage, BLM have good cc.

In topic: I think the main reason is not Summoner itself. I think they want all teams 2 be same and not 2 be any different setup for any team, so all are 100% equal and can not blame "team x win cause of different set up". Because there is 9 jobs in the game and other arcanist job is healer that healer would choose at first. So summoners just have only bad luck and get kicked away from the party because only 8 jobs can join into it.

You guys are reading too much into this. It's just SE being lazy and want both team to have the exact same setup for simplicity (so that everything is down to skill and teamwork) like the previous poster mentioned.

Beside, it's not like the general forum goers even care about keeping the game balanced seeing how much hate is thrown on healers in the pvp subforum. Heck, even if by some crazy chance summoner is removed from PVP for good, you'd still have a thousand people out there defending SE and drown out all the complaints.

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Originally Posted by Houston009

Bruh, you forgot the Energy Drain x2(300 potency) and Ruin II(80 potency). Umm L2Control Pet.
Btw for someone who knows so much about SMN, you should know when the pets crits it interrupts cast
Smn burst is stronger than BLMs' just accept it, you clearly don't know how to perform it well is all. They both have their place and are hated by all when seen.

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And you deem oblivious to the GCD Parameters in this game. So before you utter blatant ignorance Ruin II/off GCD Energy drain 2.3+ sec 2x2.3= 4.6sec topped on with your dots. bio II gcd , miasma gcd. bio inst/still gcd, fester, spur, rouse, enkindle, then your little ruin II x 2 Energy Drains.
will take you up to 12+ seconds with your burst. then fester/energy drain 60 sec cd/enkindle 5min, rouse 1minute. spur.

BLM- Phantom dart 60 sec if specced properly, Swiftcast, 60 sec.
BLM- Fire III- Fire- Fire III (proced) Phantom Dart- Swiftcast Flare- Convert- Fire- (Fire III if procced) Mana draw-Fire ( Fire III If procced) 40% chance to proc rather than stagnant CD's. Apparently you don't understand the classes and state information without understanding the parameters of time.

Btw buddy- the pets don't always proc crit to interrupt a pet and another thing as well. The gentlemen who posted never stated their pet crit to interrupt speak intelligently before responding.

Have a wonderful day in Eorzea.

Vitt