2.4 - Dreams of Ice

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Originally Posted by HulveinBlitz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4akl6AUj_JM

Bye now.

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This.

This is amazing.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

Heh, more like blatantly obvious.

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Not really, if you use that sahagin priest who summoned Levi as a reference, Iceheart could be just a fanatic trying to summon or trying to become Shiva, rather than her already being Shiva in a human form.

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Originally Posted by Alukah

Not really, if you use that sahagin priest who summoned Levi as a reference, Iceheart could be just a fanatic trying to summon or trying to become Shiva, rather than her already being Shiva in a human form.

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Except the Sahagin priest didn't become Leviathan; he was absorbed by him. Unwillingly I might add.

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Originally Posted by Limecat

Holy clickbait, Batman, you're not kidding. It's literally nothing. I'll add that site to my filters to avoid ever seeing it again.

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Srsly. The title in the URL got me all excited with "graphical updates," and there's absolutely nothing about that in the article.

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Originally Posted by Grimmel

Except the Sahagin priest didn't become Leviathan; he was absorbed by him.

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I know I know, I'm just saying that it doesn't close the possibility of possession, we still don't know how powerful (lore wise) is Shiva, she could take over Iceheart while she tries to summon her. I'm just saying all theories out there are equally possible IMO.

This makes me think the Ascians are controlling the high priest / pope of Ishgard to threaten the heretics, driving them (and Iceheart) to seek for "extra" help (which the Ascians will provide).

This is how the sahuagin priest proves (to me at least) that Iceheart is Shiva. The Ascians granted the priest the power of the Echo, granting him immortality (for however long that lasted). Players are also granted the Echo and when we die we can just revive at an aetheryte like nothing happened. Remind you of anything? (/cues Jeopardy theme) That's right, like a primal. Primals don't die, they just go to the aether and have a nap. Imagine if Echo bearers had the same strength of spirit. Seems to achieve this you just need alot of aetheric energy. Iceheart is either naturally gifted with the Echo or has been/will be awakened by the Ascians, then she'll go and power up on crystals cause why not and in the process become Shiva. That's my theory, at least.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Calling it now, Iceheart is Shiva.

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nah, really? you dont say...

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

This is how the sahuagin priest proves (to me at least) that Iceheart is Shiva. The Ascians granted the priest the power of the Echo, granting him immortality (for however long that lasted). Players are also granted the Echo and when we die we can just revive at an aetheryte like nothing happened.

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Actually, word of god says that players don't literally die when you die. You're knocked unconscious, and your character's natural instinct activates their anima which sends them to a safe point via the lifestream. The Echo grants immortality by allowing your soul to exist outside of your body in an aetherial form, like the Ascians. Whereas Primals don't really have a soul, they're just walking, talking masses of crystal given identity through the beliefs of their followers.

This is just my personal opinion/theory.

I believe if Iceheart is Shiva, that somehow she is transformed into a Primal, that we'll finally see the process of how a Primal is made, which could open up the doors to new possibilities for us in the future for many different things. I think the heretics aren't all what they seem, Iceheart might actually have some kind of intel that Ishgard is corrupted by some unknown force (or she knows it's by the paragons) and is trying to start her own rebellion through these "heretics". Her followers get so devout over her, and the process of how to create a primal is imbued upon her, that she becomes Shiva, in hopes to thwart what ever plans Ishgard might have against the rest of the world. I'm not entirely convinced she is the same as Ifrit, Garuda, and Titan, but more like Ramuh and her fight will be something different that just "stopping the raging Primal from sucking up Aether." Again... just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Sholah

Actually, word of god says that players don't literally die when you die.

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Shiro lied to us?!?