Why don't they change the way we earn Atma? (An honest question, not a rant.)

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

I never had a sense of accomplishment, I was just glad it was over.

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This. A sense of accomplishment requires that we have something to pat ourselves on the back for. People who think the books are any better are out of their minds. I'm on book six and I don't think I can keep going with this. It just cuts into everything else in the game that is more interesting. Grinding dungeons for vanity items, finding a group for raids, or even boring ST are all vastly more interesting options than atma. Two of those are things I regularly complain about and I'm putting them as "more fun" than atma.

End game grinds are supposed to be about encouraging people to come together in a positive way to accomplish a goal. This is just a long solo grind that's size-ably worse than any long term grind in FFXI just for that reason alone. We're revisiting stuff that has no relevance to us, making zero friends out of it because of totally random cross-server groups, and then doing it over and over.

T9 cleared is accomplishment but Atma grinding........nah.

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Originally Posted by tOnni3

T9 cleared is accomplishment but Atma grinding........nah.

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I think ATMA could not compare with T9, bcoz T9 was the last step atm but ATMA was not.
Maybe compare ATMA with T6...the books with T7-T8, alex. with T9 ^^;

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Originally Posted by Codek

It's a funny thing, the new players leveling up are enjoying it because it brings a level of social play to the world along with lowering the chance of having to solo every fate they come across.

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Not always. I was trying to get an Atma in the Central Shroud last month when we had a level 5 start a whine-fest about level 50 players doing FATEs. Poor guy thought we were there for exp/gil/seals and was tired of the horde demolishing enemies before they could get gold.

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Originally Posted by OdinEon

If they change atma now, what about all the people that struggled to get it? Dont you think they would cry out then?

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Hate to be "that guy," but that's how MMOs work. (and how this one is progressing) Older content gives you a handicap and outdated gear is handed out on a silver platter.
Whether or not SE will apply this philosophy to the Relic quest line specifically is the question...

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Originally Posted by Shougun

I wish SE would get into the habit of setting upper and lower limits on their well desired contents (growth %, thresholds, tokens, some sort of system).

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This. Augh. I can't imagine anybody getting happy about the statistical possibility of never getting what you want. Be my guest, include RNG if you like it, but set a hard cap on being unlucky.

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Originally Posted by nekroturkey

Shouldn't keeping players happy be the second most important thing behind keeping players subscribing?

Of course I might be wrong, but I can't imagine anyone enjoying farming Atma with the way it currently works, and if they aren't having fun, why would they keep subscribing?

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FYI -
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...806-04-2014%29

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...we have no plans to make adjustments in patch 2.28 or 2.3. If we were to make changes now, the effort put in by all the players who've been working hard on their weapons up until now would be wasted. However, in the future, with new players coming in and item levels increasing, it will be difficult to do everything from the beginning, so we're planning to make adjustments at that point in time just like we do with other aspects of the game. With that said, it’s not that we won’t be doing it in the future, it just won't be right away.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think anyone has a sense of accomplishment over mindlessly repeating FATEs that they wish everyone else went through the same. I definitely would not. That's the way MMOs work and also certain things in real life. It's just like the people that cry about console price drops. Getting something early is its own reward, just that, having the ability to experience it before others. I'm surprised ATMA drop rate has not increased at this point, with the added to accessibility to more ilv 100 and 110 weapons, since collecting the pieces is only one half of the grind.

I think its more of a "misery loves company" thing.

People who did barely any work don't care. People who did too much work are angry and miserable (rightly so) and want everyone else to be miserable over it to share their pain. There's no "accomplishment" about it. It's just flat out cynical and terrible game design that shouldn't be in the game. I'm so angry about it. All I ever do when I login is think about how I've failed and how far I am behind everyone because I've done 800+ fates now and have gotten only two. I was even a real poophead to my boyfriend today because I'm in such a foul mood whenever I play this game. All I feel is failure. There's no motivation.

Failure.
Failure.
Failure.
Failure.

I think I hate this game.

I know alot of people are going to recognize my toon from my posts in the last 6 months about the Atma grind but SE still does nothing to fix this.....I always get trolled by players for stating about this monumental flaw and mechanic in the game and everyone always says its fine. Guys who have posted on here.....do yourself a favor, dont even bother posting any form of question or concern about Atma because SE will not change it. They do not want to admit that dropped the ball on poor game design and if anyone states otherwise, like I said happened to me....you will be ignored and the fanboys will troll you for no reason other to be the negative excuse of a human being that they are. I stopped playing back in April after this idiotic design for the sole reason that there are plenty of other MMO's out there to play. I love FF14, its a beautiful and vibrant game, but when SE creates fallacy for its reason for bad game design.....its time to migrate somewhere else!

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Originally Posted by nekroturkey

Shouldn't keeping players happy be the second most important thing behind keeping players subscribing?

Of course I might be wrong, but I can't imagine anyone enjoying farming Atma with the way it currently works, and if they aren't having fun, why would they keep subscribing?

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Originally Posted by nekroturkey

They aren't the ones farming Atma though, and the ones farming Atma typically go from one fate to the next, only bothering to bronze them and not finish them.



I didn't say they'd unsubscribe over this, I asked why they would subscribe for this. Would you list Atma farming as being one of the reasons as to why you subscribe each month?

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No, you very clearly stated players KEEPING subscribing. Not new players subscribing, but current players unsubbing. Anyway, carry on. I don't think I've read any ATMA complaint threads before, this is interesting.

/sarcasm

I felt accomplished every step of the way for my zodiac. The twelve hour atma grind, Brayflox Nonstop for thousands of myth, the fate camping for books, the alex grind, and finally the scream of joy when the last det4 was placed into my scroll, having spirit bonded all my own materia. My novus was complete. Days of in-game time was spent and millions of gil. I am proud of my zodiac