SE's most difinitive statement yet on parsers

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Originally Posted by Elven

Just don't do it PS3/PS4 players don't or can't what's hard to get about this? Just don't try and justify it.

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So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O

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Originally Posted by Taban

So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O

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Those are not taking or attached to the game in anyway you might as well throw mobile phones in there for what that post was worth.

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Originally Posted by Taban

So are you against teamspeak/vent/etc as well since ps3's can't run those? o.O

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(speaking up even though this wasn't directed to me)
Umm, these aren't add-ons nor do they interfere/interact with the game coding in anyway; these are other programs. A ps3 player, if they wish, can use a different machine to run a voip program.

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

most difinitive statement yet on parsers

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You mean besides all of the other statements & this quite clear sentence in the User Agreement "2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software." ?

Finally some clarity!

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Originally Posted by Sadana

(speaking up even though this wasn't directed to me)
Umm, these aren't add-ons nor do they interfere/interact with the game coding in anyway; these are other programs. A ps3 player, if they wish, can use a different machine to run a voip program.

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But what if other users don't have a machine that can run them? It's not fair to them!!!!

I'm just so tired of this whole issue... good/bad, allowed/prohibited, should/shouldn't... Like, seriously - do the devs supply the means and give permission to make mods of any kind? If yes: great, go ahead. If not: just don't do it. I don't know why it has to be such a freakin' powder keg.
And, y'know, personally I really wouldn't care less if someone uses parsers specifically - when with their own little static group. Outside, they shouldn't even be running, let alone be utilised to mistreat people with. Same thing as going into the totally random DF and expecting everyone in there to know everything of any given fight. It doesn't make sense.
Not everyone plays the same way. Get over it.

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Originally Posted by Taban

But what if other users don't have a machine that can run them? It's not fair to them!!!!

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I'm going to pretend you're not trolling...

Voice chat is not built into the game, does not affect the game, therefore it doesn't matter in SE's policies. If someone does not in fact have the ability to run voice chat, for whatever reason, but is constantly pressured (in whatever manner) to use voice chat, this can be seen as harassment and is reportable as such.

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Originally Posted by Taban

But what if other users don't have a machine that can run them? It's not fair to them!!!!

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Those don't directly interact with the game in any way at all though, so it doesn't matter. VoIP systems just let you speak to other people as a separate program that never touches the game.

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Originally Posted by Sadana

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I'm going to pretend you're not trolling...
Voice chat is not built into the game, does not affect the game, therefore it doesn't matter in SE's policies. If someone does not in fact have the ability to run voice chat, for whatever reason, but is constantly pressured (in whatever manner) to use voice chat, this can be seen as harassment and is reportable as such.

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I'm making an absurd argument I agree, but it's similar to the one that's being used against parsers. Voice chat is still an advantage some have over others. I would argue that it's actually a much bigger advantage than anything parsers give. (And is generally much more required for raiding) A parser is a data collection tool, nothing else, it doesn't give someone an unfair advantage over someone else, and it's silly to pretend that it does. If we started seeing deadly boss mods equivalent addons being created I would agree that it would put ps3 players at a severe disadvantage for raiding (though I still wouldn't support banning the mods).

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Originally Posted by Taban

I'm making an absurd argument I agree, but it's similar to the one that's being used against parsers. Voice chat is still an advantage some have over others. I would argue that it's actually a much bigger advantage than anything parsers give. (And is generally much more required for raiding) A parser is a data collection tool, nothing else, it doesn't give someone an unfair advantage over someone else, and it's silly to pretend that it does. If we started seeing deadly boss mods equivalent addons being created I would agree that it would put ps3 players at a severe disadvantage for raiding (though I still wouldn't support banning the mods).

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Ok, let's drop the console thing...

VoIP - doesn't touch the game
Parser/mod/addon - touches the game, may or may not be a bad touch.