please revise ilvl req on df

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Originally Posted by Yurihyuga

Once you have a mix of 70/80/90 gear might then want to do HM primals and start working towards relic and then +1 but again need at least an ilvl that is fair even if it is easier now than it ever was with echo and such people should still progress properly.

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Hard mode primals were always tuned for people in a mix of AF, level 60 gear and some Darklight. Now they have been made easier than before, and you want an average ilevel of 80?

It seems that now people are over-gearing everything, they forget what the real requirements are, relying on gear rather than skill.

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Originally Posted by MurakumoMillennium

It is about gear.

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I have to continue to disagree. Content can be cleared, as long as the person knows what they are doing. But that wasn't really the point of my post.
You want a certain ilvl? Use party finder. It's silly to expect to always get a decent group in Duty Finder.

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Originally Posted by Harmonium

Oh and please add class restriction on ring etc. Yesterday i was with a pld full spirit with ring for healer lvl 36.

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I had some asshat twice in CT today wearing full crafting gear with an Allagan chest piece. Had 4500 hp.
First time he intentionally wiped us multiple times.
Second time, I warned the party about him and told them what he does. What happens? I get kicked.

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Originally Posted by Crimson-Falcon

the point from DF is using it for learning

while PF is used for clear/farm

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THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!!
i cannot agree with this person at all

Learning should occur any time you have the chance, not just DF. If a level 50 PLD doesn't know that he should have spirits within or the gear, maybe he wasnt informed how to find that information, or to get to the quests for it, people in duty finder shoulda informed him, or he should be asking questions to his fc/ls/random strangers.

PF was made for whatever you want to form, training parties, fun runs, farming, or just random stuff (imagination is your limitation)

now likewise, if you try to give him information and he refuses to listen, kick him to the curb and get a new person, but if you're not telling him and he doesn't know, you are just as much part of the problem (informing him of what he can do to get those skills/gear)

If you want to set a minimum Ilvl for a dungeon, do it via party finder, the dungeons people are entering is more than fine Ilvl wise, as it's intended for that level.

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Originally Posted by Muzy

Wanna know something funny, go look at the ilevel reqs for coil, guess what? First turn is i70 req. And upping ilvl req will do nothing to solve people not bothering to learn how to play.

iLvl reqs are fine as is, you can beat anything at the set level, with reasonably skilled players.

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I really have a hard time believing your can kill the adds from the final boss in manor HM in time if your dps was barely at the ilvl requirment point tbh.

Opposite opinion:

Abolish iLvl.

It's destructive to the community and fosters a hostile play environment.

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Originally Posted by Issac

Opposite opinion:

Abolish iLvl.

It's destructive to the community and fosters a hostile play environment.

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So very much this, Ilvl has created a new breed of toxic community that believe Ilvl equals skill

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Originally Posted by Issac

Opposite opinion:

Abolish iLvl.

It's destructive to the community and fosters a hostile play environment.

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Wont change a dam thing. Then you have people in pf saying stuff like "At least darklight or equivalent, at least CT or equivalent, ect.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

Wont change a dam thing. Then you have people in pf saying stuff like "At least darklight or equivalent, at least CT or equivalent, ect.

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Latest Pf trend seems to have "must have animus Ilvl 90plus" for Brayflox,hala or lost city....