How does Ot work for palidens

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Originally Posted by Nabian

I don't know about the rest of you..but as a warrior tank I've never had a problem holding hate even with a overzealous Paladin OT.

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Equally geared PLD OT that stays in Shield Oath and keeps spamming Rage of Halone? They can can easily steal your Argo especially when you try to rotate in some Storm's Path and Storm's Eye. OTs that keep stealing argo are also bad ones (for not watching the argo meters and not using other abilities to help with dmg mitigation).

I often get my argo stolen by healers early in Titan HM when a few people get hit right off the bat and healer has to Medica II which puts regen on everyone. The lesson is, if your DPS fuck shit up, healers has to pull more hate and tank has to spam Overpower and Flash to compensate.

If the MT is a WAR, watch his buffs carefully. Thrill of Battle makes Stoneskin eat up a LOT of damage, especially if the WAR is awesome and uses a Vit potion beforehand.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

Chances are i suck at WAR and excel at GLD. :cool:


Excellent tips, but you wanna fix that level

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Thanks :P I've just fixed it.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

Chances are i suck at WAR and excel at GLD. :cool:


Excellent tips, but you wanna fix that level

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IIRC SS costs 399 mp and at level 50 Riot blade recovers 133 (so if the numbers are right it should take 3 RBs to recoup MP).

Does ROH debuff stack from 2 PLDs? if it does, then consider this:

RoH debuff is up. --> stone skin (-2.5) --> fast blade (-2.5) --> riot blade (-2.5) [+133MP] --> fast blade (-2.5) --> riot blade (-2.5) [+133MP] --> fast blade (-2.5) --> savage blade (-2.5) --> Rage of Halone.

With this you will only net lose 133mp per Debuff Cycle. Not that it really means anything, but just felt like pointing that out. Also, if RoH doesn't stack, then meh /sadface

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

IIRC SS costs 399 mp and at level 50 Riot blade recovers 133 (so if the numbers are right it should take 3 RBs to recoup MP).

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Don't forget that you will have to do other things, too. Plus, by the time you get 2 Riot Blades and 1 Rage of Halone in (to reapply the debuff) , the MP would regen itself back to full.

Rage of Halone from 2 PLD doesn't stack.
WARs Storm combos i.e. do not stack either.

Every additional application will only make it start anew.

Storm's Path (WAR - lowers the target's damage dealt by 10%) and Rage of Halone compliment each other.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

Don't forget:

When you creep up on the aggro, you should do Fast Blade --> Riot Blade.

Sword Oath + RoH works. I don't advise doing it at the start of the fight. start off with CoS and Spirits Within. Then a FB +RB. Then RoH Combo, casting stoneskin do drop off the aug table a bit.

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If you read the rest of my post besides that one line, you'd see that you are repeating information.

- Don't use RB if you have full mana, cast a stoneskin or two so the regen isn't wasted (unless you MUST put DPS on the mob without taking aggro)
- Don't use CoS>SW>FB>RB | Use FB > CoS > SW > RB if you are going to do that, you are wasting ticks on your GCD by using 2 OCDs in a row
- Also, I'd recommend STARTING with Stone Skin on MT, then RoH, then SS, then RB, etc. That way MT has 2 or 3 GCDs on you and should have no problem holding hate over you first RoH to put the debuff on.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan

IIRC SS costs 399 mp and at level 50 Riot blade recovers 133 (so if the numbers are right it should take 3 RBs to recoup MP).

Does ROH debuff stack from 2 PLDs? if it does, then consider this:

RoH debuff is up. --> stone skin (-2.5) --> fast blade (-2.5) --> riot blade (-2.5) [+133MP] --> fast blade (-2.5) --> riot blade (-2.5) [+133MP] --> fast blade (-2.5) --> savage blade (-2.5) --> Rage of Halone.

With this you will only net lose 133mp per Debuff Cycle. Not that it really means anything, but just felt like pointing that out. Also, if RoH doesn't stack, then meh /sadface

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RoH doesn't stack, that would be crazy. Also I think Stone Skin is in the high 200s for a level 50? It also has a cast time longer than a single GCD tick, in addition, blindly casting and locking a rotation doesn't work well on PLD - MNK BLM and SMN have a really easy static rot that will maximize dps, but a PLD is more like a priority list (similar to BRD) to maximize their effectiveness, which includes watching healer hp, dps hp, MT hp, own hp, enmity, own mp, watching for burn phases, preparing for tank swaps, preparing to pick up adds.

admittedly i didn't read your post and I might have quoted the wrong person for the first one, so, my mistake ^^.

Also, the rotation I was talking about before was purely for a situation where u are damaging the enemy like Titan HM where u have no need to actually tank anything (I already understand how infrequent those situations are and thus the pointlessness of what I posted :p )

I rarely OT as my lack of knowledge on the subject would indicate >< just wanted to contribute some useful things I've done along the way.

I play WAR, so YMMV:
If you don't have to tank at all, like in titan/iffy go with strength accessories and sword oath (and if you're i90 on the left side do it regardless of MT status). More DPS only helps. As long as you're not in shield oath another tank in tank-stance (and similar/better gear) is going to readily outpace your enmity as the fight goes on. Though you should watch out toward the beginning of the fight.
In garuda as OT...the damage is low enough to do some strength, at least. Plus strength accessories will help you build hate faster on the add. The added strength is pretty significant at 10 or more per slot!

In tank swap fights just change to Sword Oath and you wont pull hate and you can do more damage. Than change stance when required.

As OT you still have to Tank stuff just not the main bosses, so it works just like a normal tank.