Is a Parser ever comming?

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Originally Posted by ispano

And you just pointed out the real problem again, players. That's not the type of player you want to play with anyways. You're not going to change them by not having parsers, not in the slightest.

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But by keeping parsers illegal, SE maintains an easy avenue to remove said players from the game; thus preventing further awful game experiences.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Yes but if you're standing in stuff dying over and over or generally don't know your role, it's kind of more understandable. Getting grief because an add on is telling the user that Player X is doing 2% DPS less than someone else is just stupid.

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Which is why I believe in Self-Only Parsers, so these players can visually see their issues and try to correct them.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

But by keeping parsers illegal, SE maintains an easy avenue to remove said players from the game; thus preventing further awful game experiences.

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And yet most of the people that cause grief like people have explained in the thread, DON'T use a parser to do it. Again, I've played many games, and multitudes of groups in this one, I've barely seen ANYONE call out based on a parser. Like twice.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Think it would be a terrible idea. You see enough people being kicked from groups due to a third party parser as it is, would be ten times worse if every player in the game had access to one.

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Or ten times better, depending on your outlook. Especially if it were out in the open and endorsed.

I'd like to see a parser work it's way into the game eventually. I think it would motivate players to master their jobs for fear of judgement. I'd also like to see how well I do myself.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Think it would be a terrible idea. You see enough people being kicked from groups due to a third party parser as it is, would be ten times worse if every player in the game had access to one.

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Dont worry. All you have to do is report them when they say its due to that.

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Originally Posted by Raxion

I think it would motivate players to master their jobs for fear of judgement.

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I don't think that's a good reason, to strike fear into players. We meant to be playing because it's fun.

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Originally Posted by Raxion

I'd also like to see how well I do myself.

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Admittedly I do think this myself sometimes when I feel I've done particularly well on DPS.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

I don't think that's a good reason, to strike fear into players. We meant to be playing because it's fun.

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If people don't want to improve, don't want to work(I said work, not a job, they're not the same thing) for a win on a particular piece of content, i'm ok with that. It's not for them, I get it. The problem arises when said people want to finish said content before it gets nerfed, yet refuse to improve to do so. So they either get carried, or help cause wipes. This is just as bad as the people who harass others over dps, just on the other side of the coin. Yet these people are still around, still causing issues in groups, all the time.

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Originally Posted by ReplicaX

Which is why I believe in Self-Only Parsers, so these players can visually see their issues and try to correct them.

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I'd be entirely for something like this. I care nothing about others' performance unless it is significant enough to hinder everyone's progress.

A game that's all about DPS checks, where the devs used their own developer only parser (in game debug feature; Point of reference) to tune fights, then bans the use parsers is a joke. SE should add an ingame parser or give us the API so we can make a "Recount."

If somebody isn't meeting the DPS check that even the DEVELOPERS expect you to hit, then there's a serious problem. If they refuse to listen to advice about rotation and cooldowns, then they're nothing more then a hindrance to the group.

I may come off as elitist with this, but seriously. I like to clear content, not constantly fail because only one person is pulling 200+ DPS while 2-3 others are pulling 80-100

Besides that the biggest reason why parsers have been banned is because people aren't simply using them to parse, they're using other functions to basically cheat. I'm well aware of people use use it to harass other players, but from what I've seen, this was a total rarity even before SE dropped the ball on parsers

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

We meant to be playing because it's fun.

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Constantly failing is not fun for me or the 6 other players on easy content that we've already beaten to death. Why does it always have to be about the poor players having fun? I guarantee they'll have more fun if they actually LISTEN to advice given and clear content then never clearing it because they're the ones causing the fails

If anything the devs even gave us the training dummies so we can beat the crap out of them to learn rotation and prioritization