Vote Kick yourself....

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

(...) you can leave without reprisal or penalty.

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This is exactly the behavior that the 30-min penalty was designed to punish. Obviously, SE thinks that people should not do this.

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Originally Posted by Odd

I leave dungeons far too often these day, I'm done putting up with trolls.

But the thirty minute penalty doesn't apply to PF groups. So when I leave the DF, I just look for something to occupy my time in the PF.

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Exactly this.

Sensyon, I can understand your frustration at getting trolled, but your suggestion goes far beyond the scope of fair play, and is far too easy to abuse. Odd's response is exactly the way to handle the situations you have experienced that have frustrated you.

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

It's a reportable offense to "not play anymore". I'm suggesting that they implement a system where you vote-kick yourself for various reasons, and if the party denies it, you, as the innitiator after a small time period (less than 30 minutes) you can leave without reprisal or penalty.

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And what is wrong with using the vote abandon feature?

Personally, If my party is being stupid enough, they just find that suddenly the healer (or tank, or dps/healer/tank/support-in-one) is well, ignoring the party and soloing the dungeon. Because you know what? If it is easier for me to solo the dungeon than do it with the party? I will solo.

Of course, I mainly play healer so... Yeah... My parties tend to not live very long if they are that bad. And I've soloed the first boss of Stone Vigil before so it isn't like I can't do at least part of the dungeon by myself. (Noted, there are some dungeons that can't be solo'ed (maybe possible with the best gear in the game, but not with any gear I have)) due to what is needed).

Because otherwise that would be abused more than those who drop before a dungeon starts up (aka the "Avoid Pharos" method).

IF things are that awful that you want to bail, then eat the 30 min. I've done it before when I had a rough experience with a healer (they were not very pleasant to interact with, and I wasn't in a good mood). If you're looking for a particular group, that's pretty much what the PF is all about IMO.

Man the Miqote up.

Maybe OP's suggestion could be useful when all others are in the 4hr cooldown of vote?
I don't object the suggestion as I rarely quit even there is not hope for win,
however, it seems to be a bad idea as almost everyone object it...^^;

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Originally Posted by Sensyon

Whats the difference between attempting and realizing that the party, as is, is incapable of beating the instance, and refusing advice from someone with a lot of experience and just not participating anymore. Intention? A group of 6 tried to do Titan HM. The WHM was iLvl 85+, and was trying to carry the others, who were in mostly relic gear. Between the 5 of them they had 3 pieces of CT Gear, and 5 pieces of DL gear. We did get to 40% Echo buff within 40 minutes, but they could not dodge, they couldn't deal DPS effectively, and ...

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In this scenario vote abandon is there for this reason, if they didn't vote abandon, they won't vote kick either

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Originally Posted by Odd

I leave dungeons far too often these day, I'm done putting up with trolls.

But the thirty minute penalty doesn't apply to PF groups. So when I leave the DF, I just look for something to occupy my time in the PF.

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Wow. I thought the 30 minute penalty carried over. Didn't know this. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Amnesia

This is exactly the behavior that the 30-min penalty was designed to punish. Obviously, SE thinks that people should not do this.

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Some of SE's policies obviously didn't take everything into account. That's why they're constantly changing things. The 30 minute penalty and Vote-Kick features weren't always there, for example. My complaint is that there is zero reprimand for uncooperative parties. These pseudo-prebuilt parties come into DF and expect everyone to play by there rules. That's not cool...

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Originally Posted by Eruantien

In this scenario vote abandon is there for this reason, if they didn't vote abandon, they won't vote kick either

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I agree. They've made it very clear. I was just suggesting that if they don't vote to kick you, after you initiate it. The penalty for leaving is less severe.