1,000 reasons why Archer/Bard needs a non healer limit

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Oh yeah, again, bard is not a dps. It has been made that way because there are no support jobs in FFxiv currently.

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To be fair, NO CLASS is DPS. DPS is a statistic measure of your damage output. No class is a "damage per second", that's why ff11 had it right by calling them DDs, damage dealers. And yes Bard is a DD class, but at the same time they're not. They're a Damage Support class, or DPS Support if you prefer.

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Originally Posted by Dijana

You had one bard who decided to blow LB for a stupid reason

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If you think that this is the only time I've seen or had anything like this happen, then you are mistaken. That was a single story.

If a bard is forced to limit to save the party from a wipe, then your party is doing something very wrong, or your healers are trash, or your tanks are trash. If preventing a wipe is the only reason anyone can come up with for keeping it, then it's not a good enough reason. As said multiple times, a support type limit would be better for bard that isn't healer limit. A party wide buff or enemy debuff would be excellent. It would stay in tune with the fact that Bards a DPS Support class, designed to provide assistance to their team, while also providing debuffs to the enemy, and having the ability to put out good damage. Giving them a limit that coincides with that would be more fitting to the purpose of the class.

Personally I think they should add a new LB ability, that bards and other support classes would use, casts refresh, regain and regen or something.

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Originally Posted by Rubieus

Personally I think they should add a new LB ability, that bards and other support classes would use, casts refresh, regain and regen or something.

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See that would work too, something that could throw up a temporary super ballad with a few other effects. There are a lot of better ideas for Bard limit then just saying "hey, we'll give them the same limit as healers".

Wishing Bard had a limit that buffed the entire party.


Level 1: +10% damage. 10s
Level 2: +20% damage, 10s
Level 3: +30% damage, 10s

Might be cool for some sort of mp or tp or HP top off (users selection) for lb2 and all 3 for lb3. I would however be highly against it being a dps lb. Give it something supportive since brd is a support class.

Where's the 999 other reasons :(

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Originally Posted by Slatervonjager

1,000 reasons why Archer/Bard needs a non healer limit

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I know that you're hiding things
using gentle words to shelter me
your words were like a dream
but dreams could never fool me...
Not that easily

I acted so distant then
didn't say good-bye before you left
but I was listening
you fight your battles far from me......
Far too easily

'Save your tears 'Cause I'll come back'
I could hear that you whispered
as you walked through that door
but still I swore to hide that pain
when I turn back the pages
Shouting might've been the answer then
what if I cried my eyes out and begged you not to depart
but now I'm not afraid to say what's in my heart....

'Cause a Thousand words
Called out Through the Ages
They'll Fly to you
Even Though I can't see
I Know They're Reaching you
Suspended on Silver Wings

Oh a Thousand Words
One Thousand Embraces
Will Cradle You
Making all of Your Weary Days Seem Far Away
They'll Hold you Forever........

Oh a Thousand Words {One Thousand Words}
Have Never been spoken {Oh Yeah}
They'll fly to you
they'll carry you home {carry you home}
And back into my arms
Suspended on silver Wings {On Silver Wings}

And a thousand words {oohh}
Called out through the ages {called through the ages}
They'll cradle you {oh yeah}
Making all of your lonely years to only days {only days}
They'll hold you forever.........

Ohhhhhhhhhhh

One Thousand Words...

sure, they have time and money at sink to make a LB only for one jobs....

But it wont be... They were thinking of a support role, which bard currently fits. So really this would just be preemptively putting in an LB for when they finish making other classes/jobs for that role.

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Originally Posted by Slatervonjager

To be fair, NO CLASS is DPS. DPS is a statistic measure of your damage output. No class is a "damage per second", that's why ff11 had it right by calling them DDs, damage dealers. And yes Bard is a DD class, but at the same time they're not. They're a Damage Support class, or DPS Support if you prefer.

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Sophistry.

The whole DPS vs DD debate was settled long ago. Perhaps it went to calling them DD (but what do you call DoT classes then?) in FF11, but in the majority of MMO's they were called DPS and have been for well over a decade.

Every class puts out some kind of DPS. Those whose role it is to put out damage primarily, whether it be melee, ranged, nuke, or DoT, are referred to as DPS. Those whose role is not to put out damage, but instead to soak it up, are referred to as Tanks. Those whose role is not to put out damage, but to heal it, are referred to as Healers.

So why not call them DD instead of DPS? Because DD refers to a type of spell, as well : Direct Damage. Also referred to as Nukes, they are damage applied instantaneously after the spell is cast. Their counterpart is the Damage over Time spell, or DoT. These spells do damage gradually, over the course of the spell effect.

DPS refers to what those classes do, and is also the measure of how well they do it. DD may refer to what some classes do, but it does not refer to how they all do it.