Why do sch and smn share point allocation

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Originally Posted by Nicobo

Just curious, I read many ppl suggesting players focus on both jobs should go all MND, they said the benefit of all INT for SMN or all MND for SCH is not very significant, but go all MND for SCH will has more advantage when Cleric Stance.

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All INT would be the better option because SCH doesn't need 30 MND at all. I know SCHs who do T5 flawlessly with 15 MND 15 VIT or 30 VIT. What's important to a SCH is the MND that comes from gear, Weapon damage, and crit. As long as you mitigate damage, you're golden. SCH isn't a WHM and has a completely different playstyle. Yes having the 30 extra mind is nice and all, but like I said, it's not needed

The issue comes with playing SMN. SMN NEEDS the 30 INT in order to maintain it's famous DPS

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

All INT would be the better option because SCH doesn't need 30 MND at all. I know SCHs who do T5 flawlessly with 15 MND 15 VIT or 30 VIT. What's important to a SCH is the MND that comes from gear, Weapon damage, and crit. As long as you mitigate damage, you're golden. SCH isn't a WHM and has a completely different playstyle. Yes having the 30 extra mind is nice and all, but like I said, it's not needed

The issue comes with playing SMN. SMN NEEDS the 30 INT in order to maintain it's famous DPS

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Also just want to mention, even if one pumps 30 MND to SCH, SCH won't have the same 497-501 MND with i90+AG weapon compared to a WHM. Maybe this also shows that SCH doesn't emphasize on MND as much as WHM.

I'm not surprised that in the future there might be a case where a archer class will need to max STR because the new job is a STR type.

When I was leveling my SMN/SCH (I like them both and can't make up my mind) I gave most of my attribute points to INT, occasionally I spent some of them on MIND and maybe Piety (not really sure though). Is it safe to buy a potion to give to my SMN's INT 30 point? I'm asking because I read different opinions and I'm a bit confused. I don't want to do something which might prevent me to use successfully my SCH in end game content.

I also leveled a WHM, but I doesn't enjoy it as much as I enjoy being a SMN or a SCH.

Anyway, I would never create an alt just to play both classes: it would mean starting from 0 once again and without your friends / FC company friends since you would have also to change server (if you have paid an entry-level subscription).

While leveling ACN up as a first class I really focus on, I've been healing through dungeons as a SCH and DPSing through the story as a SMN in order to avoid gratuitous wait times while playing both jobs. I dump every point into INT, and I've yet to have a dungeon fail because my healing was too weak.

Failure because of,other reasons? Oh sure. When a tank is running on gear lower leveled than mine and/or aggro goes everywhere to the point that I have to burn through my mp pool spamming succor, then things get ugly. Twenty points in Mind won't make your team suddenly competent, however.

Besides, by the time level 50 rolls around, you should know enough about how to play that you should be able to have an easy time leveling up a WHM. Heck, WHM was the first job I unlocked, and it's still healer easy mode when I feel like leveling it to work towards Stoneskin via dungeons. I'm also already swimming in a grand company tickets. Getting ten thousand of them to switch back and forth now and again between optimizations that really only matter on coils? Still not a big deal for me. That'll happen by simple accrual when grinding FATEs.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Also just want to mention, even if one pumps 30 MND to SCH, SCH won't have the same 497-501 MND with i90+AG weapon compared to a WHM. Maybe this also shows that SCH doesn't emphasize on MND as much as WHM.

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I've always been thinking that Crit is actually more important then MND for SCH, but looking at it I'd say Weapon Damage should be a higher priority followed by Crit.

As a poorly made example: Let's say you heal with Aldo for about ~900 but your crit is kinda poor (focusing MND). Then you heal ~800 and crit it (Focusing Crit). That's a 2.4k shield right there ((800 + (800 x .5)) x 2). Controlling the RNG to your favor > High numbers in my opinion

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

I've always been thinking that Crit is actually more important then MND for SCH, but looking at it I'd say Weapon Damage should be a higher priority followed by Crit.

As a poorly made example: Let's say you heal with Aldo for about ~900 but your crit is kinda poor (focusing MND). Then you heal ~800 and crit it (Focusing Crit). That's a 2.4k shield right there ((800 + (800 x .5)) x 2). Controlling the RNG to your favor > High numbers in my opinion

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this might be the dumbest thing i've read all day

again please split point allocation

and big lols at being able to dps effectively on smn with 30 less int than other people who dont play sch, its literally a numbers game and the difference from i55 to i90 body is 15 int so you guys cannot be serious or competent if you're claiming dps is fine without those 30 points into the main stat




Constant Numbers:
Weapon Damage returns approximately 10 HP for every point average.
Mind returns approximately 2 HP for every point average.
Det returns approximately .5 HP for every point average.
Crit returns approximately .3 HP for every point crit-adjusted.
You need around 17 points of Crit for 1% increase in potential crits. That means you may get 5 additional HP healed every 100 heals. Simply put, you're really only going to see a massive benefit from more than 17 points of crit added, but that benefit will decrease for every point of Det. Why? Det > Crit in changing average heals, but Crit > Det for changing POTENTIAL average heals.
In other words, Crit will give you a larger potential heal, but it will not give you a greater average heal over time. It'll maybe move the needle a few points, but it won't be much. In stats lingo, Crit will give you a wider standard deviation, but the median won't change; as Crit presents significant outliers (1.5x multiplier), the median is the appropriate measure of central tendency.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._mnd_for_crit/

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Originally Posted by MathewZilla

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Who knows, maybe SE will change how this works in future. But for now, if you just have to play both jobs, put the 30 points into INT. You can never do too much dps, whereas healers can get away with a lot lower ilvl and still clear everything in the game at the moment. Whether this remains through after 2.2 we'll see.

Every future branching job option will have to make this choice. Arcanist is just the first.

Get used to it

I don't play SCH or SMN really unless I'm just bored of my more geared WHM, but what is the initial point of the two sharing stats? Why did SE choose to go down this route? Just curious.