Not necessarily. It could be predetermined what loot you wish to roll for. The groups I have run with all pretty much agree that you either roll on the loot for the role you're currently playing, or a different role you would prefer but didn't play as for that run. However, freedom to roll for multiple roles is usually considered unfair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moheeheeko
So, that should solve the problem you have with the idea.
This. Also, there's the chance for accidentally clicking the wrong button. Kind of a mouth-breather's mistake, but it does happen. The master looter could also make a similar mistake, but you have potential for multiple "accidents" vs one, so chances are reduced with a master loot system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
Also, it's possible the group leader could screw over the group, so it's best not to run with strangers who are using master loot. Master Loot should also be limited to preformed groups, and not an option for Duty Finder groups.
There is no perfect looting system, but this would be a nice option for honest groups.
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03-13-2014, 05:11 AMFritoBandito
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03-13-2014, 05:17 AMKraggyKor
Need/Greed is fine, there isn't a problem to fix so ML isn't required.
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03-13-2014, 05:24 AMStouterTaruIt's also easy for someone to screw you over and give the drop that had been agreed upon to a different person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashidon
Then there's the duty finder PUGs, where people are from different servers. After waiting 10-30 minutes to get into the dungeon, you find that some random stranger says who gets what, and 5/8 members are in his FC. -
03-13-2014, 05:30 AMMusashidonoh trust me i believe noone should have right to loot that is why we have need greed pass. if you can need it that's your right. if you can greed it thats your right. if someone needs and you greed they had all right.Quote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
just i was merely stating why a player would want it. alot of players do feel they have right to loot and will make parties and claim loot too them.
while this thread might not entirely mean random pf groups and mean fc static coil groups or primal groups. it's how players feel, and it comes down to how se feels about it not me. -
03-13-2014, 05:37 AMLordSaviour
Bringing the Loot System from XI back would be ideal
We should be able to see who is lotting and what they number they rolled. Also a Basic Item Loot Queue, Not just items drop and they are randomly placed into a persons inventory. I don't want anymore bone chips damnit!
Also being able to Pass after a Lot would be awesome. Just in case you lot by accident ~
EDIT : The NEED, GREED, PASS should be reserved for DF and PUG situations.
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03-13-2014, 05:38 AMEhayte
We used this loot system in EQ in my guild - we had loot set for open to all, but we used a DKP system, and the "master looter" status was enforced by the fact that I would kick you the F out of the guild if you ninja'd something.
Sadly, with 20-30 FCs sending 30-50 groups into coil every week per server, instead of the 5 guilds in EQ sending 5 raid forces in to do raid every week, getting kicked out of a guild and besmirched to the other guild leaders was a MUCH more serious and real consequence.
With the frequency of PUGs, I would laugh my butt off if someone put up in PF: "Coil T1-4, I'm loot master"
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Read: "Coil T1-4, I'm loot master. (heh heh heh.... They're joining, they're joining! I can't believe they are actually joining! Muhahahahaaaa!!!!!)"
You can just leave the zone.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordSaviour
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03-13-2014, 05:42 AMLordSaviourWell, maybe you don't realize you cast Greed in Coil, but someone also Greed who actually needed for an Alt. No one is the wiser and you win item. If they implemented in the UI the number you Cast beside your name in PT, it could prevent this from happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
Lord > Hey Ehayte, i noticed you Greed on Allagan Blank of Blank, do you even have Blank leveled???
Ehayte > Oh Snap, nope sorry, didn't mean to, let me pass RQ before you lot.
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03-13-2014, 05:48 AMFritoBanditoQuote:
Originally Posted by StouterTaru
Just thought I'd point this out from my post just prior to yours :PQuote:
Originally Posted by FritoBandito
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03-13-2014, 06:04 AMNutz
Master loot would be a decent option. It's not something my group ever used even in FFXI where it was available (quartermaster I think...?) but I can see how some people prefer a system that puts trust in 1 person instead of everyone you're running with. To me the more important addition would be the ability to pass after needing or greeding (and possibly to change your need to a greed). Usually you can just leave if you meant to pass but didn't, but sometimes everyone else will roll before you get out. I've also seen situations where people use need, forgetting that the person they're rolling against is on a different job for that particular turn. It never causes drama for us, but it certainly could.
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03-13-2014, 06:14 AMrhemi1Exception being the Striking/Maiming fiasco we have going on in Coil right now where both Monks and Dragoons want Striking accessories but only Monks can roll Need on them. It's fairly difficult to get everyone in your party to pass on something when more than one person just greeds everything like normal.Quote:
Originally Posted by KraggyKor
Or if you're doing a method that requires the OT switch to an off-spec role like T2 enrage or one tank Twintania, and Tank loot drops. Or any player switching to a role they don't usually play save for one specific encounter.
Master loot is helpful as an option for pre-made groups.