How come we can't play with friends?

NO! Instance only! Preferably with lockouts so we make sure our FC friends don't go play with other friends.

Joke aside, the whole instanced thing is getting out of hand and spreading like a really bad virus. Some engaging open world content would be nice. Map parties are zero threat and FATE parties @ level cap are .... borderline pointless (unless that's your preferred way of obtaining seals, I guess).

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Great more fates that won't drop anything. There's nothing wrong with Competition, not to mention there's multiple ways to handle it. Like how EQN is doing, with completely random boss spawns. Or a kill/loot lockout since SE loves to use those. The whole map size thing I can see possibly being an issue. Played an mmo before with the same size/slightly larger maps and when a world boss would spawn, it didn't hurt the map or anything. I'm not sure if that also has anything to do with the quality of servers or whatever. It's just really disappointing that everything is going to be in an instance or a boring zerg fest fate.

Seriously? There is absolutely no difference between NMs and FATEs. If you want to hunt big monsters so badly then just go FATE hunting. Fight Gorgimera or Cancer. I honestly believe that needs to be expanded upon. Odin and Behemoth are boring but gorgimera is actually kind of fun, there has to be more FATEs like that one that drops decent gear.

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I'm sorry, but that video is utterly boring. :S Standing around and wailing on a mob that shows up every so often.... yea, I think SE can try to do a little better than that.

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Yea standing around all week until you can do a 10 minute instance again is much better.

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Seriously? There is absolutely no difference between NMs and FATEs. If you want to hunt big monsters so badly then just go FATE hunting. Fight Gorgimera or Cancer. I honestly believe that needs to be expanded upon. Odin and Behemoth are boring but gorgimera is actually kind of fun, there has to be more FATEs like that one that drops decent gear.

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Except for the whole Fates don't give anything valuable and aren't at all rare or difficult

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Yea standing around all week until you can do a 10 minute instance again is much better.

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Never said it was. I just said I think SE can (and should) do better than camping some mechanicless rarespawns.

I don't think SE wants to foster an environment where the person with the best bot wins claim over mobs in the open world, because this game will devolve into FFXI again if they put any kind of item of any significance on an open world encounter.

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Never said it was. I just said I think SE can (and should) do better than camping some mechanicless rarespawns.

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By that logic they should do better than the predictable boss fights in the game.

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I don't think SE wants to foster an environment where the person with the best bot wins claim over mobs in the open world, because this game will devolve into FFXI again if they put any kind of item of any significance on an open world encounter.

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Then don't have "whoever touches it 1st wins" have "whoever does the biggest portion of the damage wins" ... Aka the group of 8 people will always beat the solo bot.

It has worked (and still does) for years in EQ. I can count on 1 hand how often someone tried to steal a named in a year. You zoned in, called a camp check, took a unclaimed named, and /win.

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I don't think SE wants to foster an environment where the person with the best bot wins claim over mobs in the open world, because this game will devolve into FFXI again if they put any kind of item of any significance on an open world encounter.

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So they want to foster a terrible enviroment with this game where people are like SLDKJFSHDGSLDKFJSD YOU SUCK GET OUT OF PARTY VOTE KICK!!!

Same thing, you will run into problems no matter what you do. So that's not even an excuse to not have open world nms.

Are you trying to retort with illogical, unrelated statements? I'm not talking about instanced content; I'm talking about open world content, as is what this thread seems to be about. Standing around for hours for a spawn and then standing in place wailing on it for a few minutes to loot some shinies isn't exactly the pinnacle of engaging gameplay. At the very least, give the monsters some actual mechanics (like the world bosses in WoW, or the zone invasion and raid rift bosses in Rift, or even the world bosses in TERA) that prevent mindless zerging.