New 15 minute timer is awful for Primals/Bosses

Please change it back to 5 min to vote abandon. Often you can tell after 2 wipes that your group can't beat something. For example if the same person dies to landslide twice in a row on Titan EX you know you aren't going to beat the fight due to that one person. With 15 min vote abandon someone now has to take the 30 min debuff just so everyone else can leave.

Whhhhhattt , you mean now i gotta play titan ex with a party that failed before 1st jump for 15 minutes??

To be fair, make it at least 10 minutes, 15 is too much.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

This. It's lame in general; I don't think they expected players to like this change.

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They expect people to like anything they do, true story.

/1.0 flashback

learn to play one's class I don't have a problem with this adjustment now only if they can make a penalty to the tanks that keep dropping duty finder then it will be a better experience

So basically if you go in and someone decides to afk in the dungeon, before you had to wait 5mns now it's 15?

Great...

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Originally Posted by AjoraOak

They expect people to like anything they do, true story.

/1.0 flashback

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Firstly, 1.0 was rushed out to try to "compete" with Cataclysm, they didn't expect us to like it lol, they wanted to meet a quota and try to beat competition. Secondly, this does prevent abuse because people always vote abandon after 1 or 2 wipes, sometimes sh*t happens - Then you have trolls on the NA/EU datacenter (and yes I've only seen this happen on NA/EU datacenter) that vote abandon randomly once you reach behemoth or tita..acheron which sometimes catches people off guard and they accidentally hit yes or a whole team does it just to troll the run.

It's a good change It also promotes people actually trying stuff rather than "whelp we wiped, why even bother, no one shot, fail group, bye!"

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Originally Posted by Velev

So basically if you go in and someone decides to afk in the dungeon, before you had to wait 5mns now it's 15?

Great...

:/

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It's only for Vote Abandon, not kick as far as I've seen. If someone wants to leave that badly they can leave and take the 30 min lockout.

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Originally Posted by juniglee

Only if you promise not to initiate Vote Abandon after every 2 wipes.

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Yep, this OP is why you can't have nice things :P

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

This is lame. It's a vote. How can it be abused if half of the party wants out?

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well when the half that votes to abandon is the ones with short queue times, yea it's been getting abused.

I like it, I hate it people Vote Abandon right when a wipe. People keep expecting a one shot Primal, especially the extreme one. Tank and healer not so much, but a DPS have to wait 30 minutes for it.

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

This is lame. It's a vote. How can it be abused if half of the party wants out?

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Because half the party is two healers and two tanks. There's no downside to them quitting as they can just queue again and get another instance swiftly, whereas the DPS could be queuing for anywhere up to an hour.

It's annoying... you get players completely under geared and the group has to wait 15 minutes to get out bc that person or persons won't leave.

It's not abuse if half the group wants out.