New Role, Support Classes

I seriously hope they add support roles... as Jobs, not Classes.

All Classes should be able to DPS, but Jobs should either sacrifice or enhance DPS for specialization.

How it could be done:

Archer [Class]

• Bard [Support Job] Loses "Rain of Death" and gain the song "Valor Minuet" which boosts party Determination within a radius (like Moogle Bard). Traits: 'Enhanced Swift Song' adds bonus party Skill Speed and Spell Speed (like SCH 'Fey Glow/Light') -- I think BRD would need the ability to run multiple songs at once.
• Ranger [DPS Job] Gains "Rain of Death" and 4 other ranged DPS abilities.

The same could be done other classes:
Conjurer [Class]> White Mage [Healing Job], Geomancer [Support Job]
Arcanist [Class] > Summoner [DPS Job], Scholar [Healing Job], Time Mage [Support Job]
Scout [Class] > Thief [DPS job], Dancer [Support Job]

Regardless of how Support roles are added, the Tank/Heal/Dps system is FAR too limiting for a FF game and it just means more of the same for years to come unless they change it.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

The same could be done other classes:
Conjurer [Class]> White Mage [Healing Job], Geomancer [Support Job]
Arcanist [Class] > Summoner [DPS Job], Scholar [Healing Job], Time Mage [Support Job]
Scout [Class] > Thief [DPS job], Dancer [Support Job]

Regardless of how Support roles are added, the Tank/Heal/Dps system is FAR too limiting for a FF game and it just means more of the same for years to come unless they change it.

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Agreed completely, there are many jobs that I would love to see as support. It would absolutely require an increase in party size, imo, and that's something I don't think SE is willing to do.

speculation, but i saw this vid awhile ago..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6yHyo6DIRE

love Mr Happy

Ew. Anyway, we already knew about hybrid possibilities from even before ARR was released, but Hybrid's is more along the lines of x job + x job = new job, rather than class+class = job.

We won't really see much beyond what's generally found in generic MMOs these days.

I thought I was getting a support class when I rolled BRD. Was a bit disappointed by the general lack of support abilities (as it is, SMN is more support than BRD could ever hope to be). I'd love to see something a bit more supporty.

I'd love to see support roles, or even just hybrid jobs would make me happy (*cough cough* give us Red Mage and Dancer). I'm sure XIV will stick to the whole MMO trinity, can't really do anything about it. But having party support abilities would be great, or even just self buffs that feel significant.

I'd love to see support roles, or even just DPS/Heals/Tanks with more support skills (*cough cough* give us Red Mage and Dancer). I'm sure XIV will stick to the whole MMO trinity, can't really do anything about it. But having party support abilities would be great, or even just self buffs that feel significant.

For example, RDM in FFXI gained en-spells, a self buff that applied an element to the weapon and added damage (say an attack does 40dmg, it would turn into 40+8, sort of like an extra hit per auto attack). These could work like XIV Paladin's sword oath, adding X amount of potency to auto attacks (or all attacks, but drains MP). RDM could also get debuffs: blind, paralyze, gravity, etc. on their weapon skills or something (say if it were a GLD job, savage blade enmity boost gets replaced by paralyze or something, immunity over time of course).

Dancer could be a sort of spot healer with Drain Samba. Have dances work like songs so they drain MP for the effect. Debuffs like quickstep and box step to lower evasion and whatnot, etc.
What I'd like to see:
GLD - Dark Knight, Red Mage, Onion Knight (:D), or another sword job to serve as DPS
LNC - Something to tank - or Dragon Knight, wyvern pet job like in XI :D
PGL - Black Belt? Ninja? (Ninjas used claws >.>). Puppetmaster (pet job, they used h2h in XI).
ARC - Ranger as pure DPS - Beastmaster (pet job)
CNJ - Geomancer (CNJ uses earth, wind, and water already, it would fit as another healer. More heavy on party buffs I would say OR as DPS, cures turn into "terrain" for damage or something).
THM - Time Mage I guess. No Haste for the party (Yoshi-P said he didn't want it for us I think), but abilities that effect the enemy. Slow, stop, etc. - Saboteur (debuffs I guess idk, throwing stuff out there.)


Knife class - Dancer
Knife class - Thief
Katana class - Samurai
Fencer - Red Mage - Rune Fencer (Tank)
Gunner - Corsair
Machinist - Puppetmaster

Support roles generally don't work because most people find them boring. Working support type abilities into the existing trinity is a much better idea than creating a pure support role. BRDs sing when there is a need for it, the problem is only the highest content actually mandates it in the first place.

I know this question isn't really related but is it possible to be both support and support dps if I would to go SCH + BRD?

I'm not going to lie but the idea of having a buff class that increases all stats at a certain level would be a great addition but I don't know if it feels.. like part of the FF lore or whatever. But I could be wrong. I'm not exactly sure if people really want to just stand there and buff people.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Support roles generally don't work because most people find them boring. Working support type abilities into the existing trinity is a much better idea than creating a pure support role. BRDs sing when there is a need for it, the problem is only the highest content actually mandates it in the first place.

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Most people find Tanking and Healing boring or uninterested in it which is why SE is doing everything to try to get people to play them, tank specifically, so that logic doesn't work.

The whole issue with these kind of MMOs is throwing in buff/debuff/support stuff into every ability on every class. SE is creative, they can do amazing things if they get off this "safe" path.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Because i see no one willing to play a class whose purpose is to sit there and buff people. Ask yourself, how many pug BRDs even bother to sing?

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umm a bard who isnt playing mp song for his healer is a bad bard, pug or not i wouldnt group with that bard