I tanked for many years in World of Warcraft and specifically didn't in this game because I know how thankless of a job it is. If you got the impression I think all tanks are this way, that wasn't what I meant. However yeah tanks who quit on the first wipe on a fight they refuse to ask if anyone had done previously? Yes those guys are lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueMage
Would you mind not projecting? Just because I'm not laying down in this thread doesn't mean I'm argumentative in groups. I am literally talking about runs where people quit on the first wipe without so much as a word. There's absolutely no rudeness or argumentativeness at all.Quote:
You have to take into account that some people join roulette and are willing to tolerate new players, just not rude/argumentative players.
Again, just not what I'm talking about. These were all attempts where quits were at the first wipe. One exception where we had maybe three wipes and we waited for a replacement tank who quit after one wipe, neither tank spoke or contributed to the actual completion of the dungeon over that time.Quote:
And then there's also the fact that sometimes a party has no chance of success whatsoever. I've had parties in AK, for example, where the DD had below Lv30 pieces of gear (You dont need i90, but at least AF or over Lv40 gear) and were just clueless about how to play. I was patient, explained how to do Demonwall, and attempt after attempt after attempt, they'd get knocked off the edges or not put out enough DPS, until the timer for the dungeon finally ran out. That's a lot of time to put in for nothing but wipe after wipe and trying to teach a party that just doesn't get it, and even if they did just don't have the gear and competence to pull through. You can't expect everyone to be willing to do that and tolerate that though.
Yeah I guess I must be the problem. Certainly it can't be that jerks play MMOs, that's unthinkable. Look I appreciate you trying to play devils advocate but all you did was shift the narrative to things I'm not even talking about and then politely tell me I must be bad. All that does is back up my claims about people having troubles communicating in this game. Maybe that you're so comfortable conflating one wipe with multiple wipes is the problem, everyone has reached some kind of critical level of hyperbole where one wipe might be a million and where a minute of explanation might as well be fifteen.Quote:
But if you find that all of your parties/tanks are abandoning you, I think instead of ranting and pointing fingers at everyone else, perhaps you should take a look at yourself.
Duty Roulette (High Level) Abandons
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12-27-2013, 04:59 AMWorm
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12-27-2013, 07:38 AMfredtma
Practice makes perfect. I don't believe the game is riddle with bad player, we all want to try our best and to succeed given the chance.
I use to sux at Titan HM, now x20+ I do the run eyes closed and when I see player failing to dodge I do not so much as get angry but just heal/raise them up.
Yes it does happen you get really bad player/equipment but still I don't believe rage quit will solve the problem, if you are 30 min into a dungeon why quiet rather see it through it worth the 50 tomes you will receive, instead of quitting and starting an other dungeon later on it's just time wasting.
Last night we struggle in HM hard mode the tank quit when we had 60 min left blaming dps, we had 2 smn. The second tank came and we tried about 7 times and got it, with 10 min to spare. I would rather wait it out and try and try instead of loosing all the progress to start over a new dungeon. -
12-27-2013, 11:54 AMsheepysheepy
Never had a group that didnt finish a roulette, had to run praetorium without a tank yesterday, if you keep wiping and someone decides to leave be prepared to look at yourself too, wipes dont just happen
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12-27-2013, 12:45 PMWormI just spent a whole post restating that I'm talking about people dropping after a single wipe.Quote:
Originally Posted by sheepysheepy
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12-28-2013, 12:37 AMRyuDragnierI've always hated tanks that do this, or players in general that do it. Wipes happen, they can be caused by any number of things, including the tank or healer losing focus because of something happening irl, lag, disconnections, technical problems (heals not going through when they've been cast, controllers going out), etc. Player incompetence can be the cause of a wipe, but oftentimes it's not the main thing that happens. Last night in an Ultima Weapon attempt, we got wiped because a Dragoon lagged out and my USB drive (I'm using a controller for the PC version) suddenly turned off on me. If it wasn't for that, we most likely would have completed it, and nobody blamed either of us, things happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Worm
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12-28-2013, 01:56 AMDarksword
Hell, I had people last night abandon a LOW level roulette. I wanted to get some EXP on my lvl 21 GLD and queued up. Got Copperbell Normal Mode.
I said hello. The SCH said hello. Both DDs (DRG and MNK) ran straight into the exit and bailed without a word.
I was dumbfounded. We got a BRD and a BLM within a few minutes and blew right through the run, but I couldn't imagine someone eating the 30min penalty to avoid a lowbie dungeon. -
12-28-2013, 02:11 AMUrielparadox
On a note with this DF roulette is suppose to adjust xp so that when you get a low level dungeon you aren't waisting your time. Well I can do copperbell mines for the 8ths day in a row on df roulette, and make 160k and take about 40min to beat the dungeon. I can df for cutters or sunken temple bea tit in 50min and make 250k. How is that making df roulette worthwhile? on top of that ifrit gives 130k for a 5min fight. None of this matches up also the fact that I'm not 8 levels above where I was when DF roulette first started and I have not gained increased xp un dungeons to compensate for df roulette. I wont even use df roulette anymore because its more time effective for me to leave a low level dungeon and do fates during the cooldown. I don't want to do that its mean to other players so I just wont do df roulette anymore for low level. So why have you created a system where that is really the only choice. Waste my day esp if I have to teach people a low level dungeon or they have bad gear and it takes more then 50min its especially painful and just makes me not want to play the game afterwords. Y'all said there was suppose to be an xp correction based on your lvl but I don't its not even close its actually just like punishing me. I understand you call it roulette but there still should be xp correction that makes it actualy worth using. I also don't understand why the low level category covers every dungeon and their is no in between. If anything those in between dungeons are the hardest yet and could use a df roulette specifically for them, since e the forum is always filled with complaints for them.
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12-28-2013, 02:13 AMRyuDragnierSome DPS have started using the Duty Roulette to level, because the Roulette's wait time is actually lower than just queuing for a normal dungeon you want, by at least 10 minutes. The lower level dungeons have been appearing a lot more than the higher level ones also recently, to the point where i had gotten 5 Satasha runs in a row on my Bard. That's probably why they left, they had gotten the dungeon too often and were tired of seeing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darksword
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12-28-2013, 02:20 AMAndevomSeems silly considering you can finish Satasha in about the time it'd take for the penalty to wear off. May as well complete it for the EXP.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuDragnier
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12-28-2013, 02:25 AMRyuDragnierThat's been my thought process, so I just finish the dungeons after they start. I consider it a matter of 'pride' for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andevom