Jump Fix

You talked about the need to jump and kite.

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Originally Posted by Midara

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I know you're trolling, but you failed to understand why this is being posted in the pvp forums so i shall break it down for you:

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Maybe you dont get it, or its your first MMO, but some classes, BRDs and Caster need to jump if they kiting, to do some skills while running, they cant simply start backpaddeling to hit one behind them.

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As an archer i can backpedal or run-n-gun without the need for jumps because there are no land/geo obstacles for me in pvp and as a caster i really don't need to jump except for the aforementioned.

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Maybe you dont get it, or its your first MMO, but some classes, BRDs and Caster need to jump if they kiting, to do some skills while running, they cant simply start backpaddeling to hit one behind them.

Not every player which jumps, jumps to exploit ur attacks, its normal for guys which kiting and want to do some instants behind them.

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Having played the mmos and pvp based games for over a decade and a half now (UO, EQ, 30+ k games, arcades in game basements, corner stores, and massive arcade arenas like Playland in NYC--ffs what's with all this credential bait?) and understanding the jump situation it's become apparent that you may be new or very fond of jumping hence the ludicrous claims made.

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You can blame Healer, Tanks, Melees, caster and Brds which run away with their back to you if they jump,cause they dont have any reason to do that and they are exploiting.

There are enough threads about jumping in pvp, just write down your experiance and how gamebreaking it is to melees and SE will care! Troll threads doesnt help anybody.

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As discussed in other threads: the moment someone has their back to me, i spam Impulse Drive so i prefer them to have their backs towards me; I LOVE kiters. Ranged dps/Healers aren't a problem at all it's jumping that's the problem.

btw please right click those words with squiggly red lines under them before submitting a post. It's pretty cool.

Yes, a brd need to kite, if they want to do dmg while getting focused, same for caster. Kiting needs a snare, which bards for example dont have, or you need to jump, turn back, shoot your instant and turn forward to run further away, so you need to jump, otherwise you will be greatly slower than your follower and he will stun and kill you, thats why caster and brds need in pvp to jump.

Instead of debuffing jumps why not just fix it by making jumps not screw around with positioning. The jump spin has been used by casters and kiters in pvp for so long.

Run. Jump and spin 180, instagib, turn back 180, and keep running.

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Originally Posted by Kitami

Instead of debuffing jumps why not just fix it by making jumps not screw around with positioning. The jump spin has been used by casters and kiters in pvp for so long.

Run. Jump and spin 180, instagib, turn back 180, and keep running.

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I didnt said anything else, but they dont get it.

The PvP experienced over 1 and 1/2 decade Guy just said every caster just should start backpaddeling with like 30% movementspeed to escape melees, maybe thats the solution of everybodys problem *sarkasm off*

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Originally Posted by Kitami

Instead of debuffing jumps why not just fix it by making jumps not screw around with positioning. The jump spin has been used by casters and kiters in pvp for so long.

Run. Jump and spin 180, instagib, turn back 180, and keep running.

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It's not needed for pvp at the moment and as a archer that isn't an issue as it is for a caster. Even then, a caster must stand still and find a target so they will stop jumping. The intent behind a debuff is for those that do it on purpose as opposed to any other reasons.

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Originally Posted by Midara

Yes, a brd need to kite, if they want to do dmg while getting focused, same for caster. Kiting needs a snare, which bards for example dont have, or you need to jump, turn back, shoot your instant and turn forward to run further away, so you need to jump, otherwise you will be greatly slower than your follower and he will stun and kill you, thats why caster and brds need in pvp to jump.

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i understand you need it to fire off abilities without backpedaling but it shouldnt interupt melees attacks by forcing a position recheck

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Originally Posted by seraph1m

i understand you need it to fire off abilities without backpedaling but it shouldnt interupt melees attacks by forcing a position recheck

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Nothing to say, i fully agree and wish melees get some love, its hard enough to bring on your damage while everybody uses sprint

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Originally Posted by Fyreus

I know you're trolling, but you failed to understand why this is being posted in the pvp forums so i shall break it down for you:



As an archer i can backpedal or run-n-gun without the need for jumps because there are no land/geo obstacles for me in pvp and as a caster i really don't need to jump except for the aforementioned.

Having played the mmos and pvp based games for over a decade and a half now (UO, EQ, 30+ k games, arcades in game basements, corner stores, and massive arcade arenas like Playland in NYC--ffs what's with all this credential bait?) and understanding the jump situation it's become apparent that you may be new or very fond of jumping hence the ludicrous claims made.



As discussed in other threads: the moment someone has their back to me, i spam Impulse Drive so i prefer them to have their backs towards me; I LOVE kiters. Ranged dps/Healers aren't a problem at all it's jumping that's the problem.

btw please right click those words with squiggly red lines under them before submitting a post. It's pretty cool.

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What the hell are you talking about? You've clearly never even tried kiting as a ranged class in this game. FFXIV practically forces you to jump while kiting because using an ability automatically faces you towards your target. If you're running north and your target is south of you when you cast Scathe you will start running towards him unless you jump before you cast.

The fact that you've been playing games for 15+ years and are unable to grasp this simple concept is mind boggling.

Edit - You're right, I was wrong. I had tried it out a while ago but for some reason I had thought it didn't work. Sorry for being such a dick before. I was in a bad mood after visiting relatives LOL.

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Originally Posted by Nenin

What the hell are you talking about? You've clearly never even tried kiting as a ranged class in this game. FFXIV practically forces you to jump while kiting because using an ability automatically faces you towards your target. If you're running north and your target is south of you when you cast Scathe you will start running towards him unless you jump before you cast.

The fact that you've been playing games for 15+ years and are unable to grasp this simple concept is mind boggling.

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There's an option to turn facing off and i cast both on whm and gld and it makes me shake my head knowing people still haven't figured this stuff out.