Griefing & Party Kick Abuse

And this is the problem with the debuffs and restrictions and penalties on everything. People should be able to kick as many people as they want or leave as many groups as they want. Trying to force people who dont want to play together to keep playing together isnt going to end in happy sunshine handholding.

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Originally Posted by Necaust

Blame lies with the penalty for leaving as well. If people want to leave, let them leave. If there was no penalty, people who were actually committed to the same cause would stay and those that were not would leave; improving quality of group effort.

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If there were no penalty, trolls could queue over and over again, join groups, pull mobs, leave instance, requeue immediately. >_>

Not saying it's a likely scenario, but people willing to abuse the system will find a way.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

If there were no penalty, trolls could queue over and over again, join groups, pull mobs, leave instance, requeue immediately. >_>

Not saying it's a likely scenario, but people willing to abuse the system will find a way.

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Someone who is looking to troll for the lulz, will keep trolling regardless of penalties. But with the restrictions, people troll to specifically get kicked from a party they dont like and avoid the penalties.

I prefer freedom over some system that really doesn't improve anything at all and is just there to "protect" people with imaginary fears of what "could" but is extremely unlikely to happen, like yourself. Though the system creates more problems than it solves.

Just /sit and the boss will not aggro on you. Fun trick when someone is griefing people like this.

I guess to clarify: I did feel he deserved a 30 minute penalty. Someone who is forcing people to kick him due to not wanting the 30 minute penalty... maybe it's a character flaw for me, but I think that person doesn't deserve the satisfaction of being able to leave and requeue when he's doing this on purpose. He had full knowledge of what he wanted to do, and he knew how he would accomplish it. I just don't think he should have the satisfaction of throwing a temper tantrum and getting his way. I'll admit that's wrong of me, but also, if I requeue and he's in my group again, there's going to be issues.

I'll try the /sit thing again, but last time I did that I still died due to Titan's AoE, stomps, rock buster, etc.

To reply to Star Hate: I don't feel I was griefing myself. I feel I was stubborn. I feel that I didn't want to give him the satisfaction of getting his way without a penalty. But is that wrong of me to want someone who is trolling and MPKing people with full knowledge of his or her actions to get a penalty? I don't know. I can't justify letting someone like him get his way. As I admitted before, perhaps it's a character flaw of mine. What's going to stop other people from wanting a group to purposefully kick him/her and requeue thinking nothing of it?

i.e. "Hey, this group sucks, I'm going to go wipe or not heal or act like I'm AFK on purpose so I can get kicked and leave this newb group. <insert actions> Cool, I got kicked. Time to requeue up and keep going! No penalty ftw!"

I just... don't get it.

I can see how this would be aggravating, but if he was really wanting to run other content with friends I can see where he wanted to get kicked to avoid the penalty. He handled it very childishly, but I think if someone asked to be kick I would. It's still just a game and there's no point in jailing someone in content with me who wishes to leave. Before he requested to get kicked was he griefing the party? It just sounds like he was dying a lot and the group was fail anyway.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I can see how this would be aggravating, but if he was really wanting to run other content with friends I can see where he wanted to get kicked to avoid the penalty. He handled it very childishly, but I think if someone asked to be kick I would. It's still just a game and there's no point in jailing someone in content with me who wishes to leave. Before he requested to get kicked was he griefing the party? It just sounds like he was dying a lot and the group was fail anyway.

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I only died once to tumults (talking to my friends) and got knocked out of the arena because the dps was low and they broke me out during the casting of the landslide. Kuposan blamed me for everyone failing, I can't carry 7 other ppl, and yeah i wanted to down it with my friends who already downed it on their mains with me so, I was using df as a practice place, I did say i was killing time, and i asked nicely for them to kick me, but Kupo's high horse is too tall.

The last thing I will say on this matter: You blatantly told everyone you had cleared it and knew what to do, but you kept dying over and over. Once people started to flame you, you acted childish. True, I fed your troll mannerisms. I am at fault. But, there was no need for you to boast of your accomplishments so highly, fail horribly, then get an attitude and MPK people while not wanting to leave due to a penalty. You deserved the penalty, and that's a fact. /endthread

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

I prefer freedom over some system that really doesn't improve anything at all and is just there to "protect" people with imaginary fears of what "could" but is extremely unlikely to happen, like yourself. Though the system creates more problems than it solves.

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I actually agree with your sentiment here, and was simply playing devil's advocate earlier. Restrictions for the sake of preventing fringe cases while ignoring larger, more prevalent issues lead to things like not being able to send tells in dungeons. >_<

So, just a thought here but... purely hypothetical, not referring to the case in this thread because I wasn't there ...

If MPKing was/is ban-able, and exploiting is certainly ban-able.
If a player enters an instance for the sake of being a troll, or decides to troll the party after an attempt or 2. Begins MPKing with the express purpose of getting kicked from the instance in order to exploit the kick not giving a DF CD. Is that not committing 2 ban-able offences at once? Should that go on w/o repercussions?

Isn't it bad enough that players (more so in 2.0) will enter an instance /check ppl and then leave if they don't see the gear is as high as they like. Which still kills me, like they started out in full i90 ... awesome people, or community(?) if it can be called that ... sorry tangent there.