BLM Mana tick, Solution and New Rotation

blm becomes more boring now because no more inspring tricks we can pull off while having fun. right now, it's just some solid, broad, 1 2 3 4 key spam.... nonetheless, it's harder to tell which blm is more skilful than the other (since they "fixed" the double mashing and ruined the perfect mp tick timer)

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Originally Posted by Dale

I don't understand what you and other black mages are talking about here. I seem to get my mana back just as fast while in umbral ice as I always have. So how did they nerf our mana regen? Because I can't seem to tell a difference.

And so far I have liked this patch. The freeze improvements are significant and actually makes it a decent AoE spell to use while in umbral ice. So I haven't noticed any pretty big losses, at least not as yet. It seems to be an improvement for the class.

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I have to agree. My mana ticks are still as random as ever. Still going strong trying to DF this Garuda HM and craft it up.

I think I have solved the rotation problem. I noticed that the oddities with regen ticks only apply to spells getting the haste buff from UI3/AF3.

New rotation I found works the same as the old rotation where you use fire until just over 400mp > B3 > T2 > F3

But now I go: B3 > T2 > Transpose

Treat the transpose as if it were a Firestarter proc and it is as if nothing happened. As an added bonus your first Fire does more damage than a hasted Fire III.

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Originally Posted by Mattezrah

I think I have solved the rotation problem. I noticed that the oddities with regen ticks only apply to spells getting the haste buff from UI3/AF3.

New rotation I found works the same as the old rotation where you use fire until just over 400mp > B3 > T2 > F3

But now I go: B3 > T2 > Transpose

Treat the transpose as if it were a Firestarter proc and it is as if nothing happened. As an added bonus your first Fire does more damage than a hasted Fire III.

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but we still need to cast a fire3 full mana cost to get in AF3 or shot 2 weaker fire1. I don't like this at all. It's better to wait full mana before shot fire3

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Originally Posted by Dale

I don't understand what you and other black mages are talking about here. I seem to get my mana back just as fast while in umbral ice as I always have. So how did they nerf our mana regen? Because I can't seem to tell a difference.

And so far I have liked this patch. The freeze improvements are significant and actually makes it a decent AoE spell to use while in umbral ice. So I haven't noticed any pretty big losses, at least not as yet. It seems to be an improvement for the class.

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How haven't you noticed? Trust me it's not gamebreaking or anything. What bugs people is that it's just been a certain way for 3 months and now it's different so we have to adjust. I used to be able to cast without watching my mana but now I have to watch it else I risk switching from UI3 to AF3 with no mana tick occuring.

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Originally Posted by LetBloodline

but we still need to cast a fire3 full mana cost to get in AF3 or shot 2 weaker fire1. I don't like this at all. It's better to wait full mana before shot fire3

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Yup, I agree with this. The F3 is slower, barely stronger and costs more mana resulting in less fire rotations. It'll work but it isn't the best and you'll end up with a lot less damage in that switch.

After a little testing, it appears this is what happens.
-You'll notice a hiccup when using FireIII or BlizzIII (or any opposite element spell really). My best guess is the safeguard to prevent "Doubles" is a system that checks your stance to the spell your casting and adjusts accordingly. In layman's terms...
1) Your Spellspeed is as if elementally neutral.
2) It checks your stance; It then applies the haste. At this point, your mana is locked. You cannot gain ticks.
3) The spell completes. Your buff switches.
4) Mana resumes as normal.

You CAN still time it to receive a mana tick. However, you do not receive an Ice-stance mana tick, and it requires more waiting. (About 1 second after your tick, instead of immediately after). So with a base mana of 3670, if you time it right, you can start your session with 3610. For the extra time you have to wait, though, I don't think it's worth waiting or stressing over for timing.

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Originally Posted by Sorax

How haven't you noticed? Trust me it's not gamebreaking or anything. What bugs people is that it's just been a certain way for 3 months and now it's different so we have to adjust. I used to be able to cast without watching my mana but now I have to watch it else I risk switching from UI3 to AF3 with no mana tick occuring.

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No I haven't noticed.

I'm not saying it's not there. But if it is, it must not be that significant, and I certainly wouldn't say it has broken the class as I've seen some (not you) say.

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Originally Posted by Dale

No I haven't noticed.

I'm not saying it's not there. But if it is, it must not be that significant, and I certainly wouldn't say it has broken the class as I've seen some (not you) say.

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It's noticeable depending on the rotations you do. Some rotations don't notice the change, however quite a few of them do. Though, plenty of BLM are saying the class is broken and pointless to play now, but they're wrong. They're just used to being overpowered is all.

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plenty of BLM are saying the class is broken and pointless to play now

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Really ? they are overexagerating too much. seriously, it's just a matter of altering the rotation. I don't think it's ground breaking, or game breaking.