These I have both done, also this is a fresh windows install, fully reformatted from the ground up with only release ARR being downloaded on it. It's been a steady issue since beta. some say it's due to fast ISP's others due to firewall or admin issues. Every patch i delete my firewall and every trace of it, and use take ownership of everything as well as admin privileges. It's just an ongoing issue, that the only cure so far for myself has been to get the updated files from someone and physically overwrite my old FF folder. This is also a PS3 issue too, where some PS3 players never get to play the game they bought due to this.
