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Originally Posted by Hiroradius

All the range nerfs, are pvp balancing.. but while they did it for pvp purposes, they screwed up pve.. and THIS is exactly what people were afraid of when they were adding pvp to this game. Would they break pve and hurt pve to try and balance pvp.

As of right now, I don't see a reason to be a SUM in pvp.

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that is the reason, and that is why I always hated PVE/PVP games. They can never seem to truly balance out the two. GW2 is best I have seen so far with adjusting abilities when you pvp rather then just nerfing for both. I have no clue why more devs do not follow this.

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Originally Posted by Yuichi

that is the reason, and that is why I always hated PVE/PVP games. They can never seem to truly balance out the two. GW2 is best I have seen so far with adjusting abilities when you pvp rather then just nerfing for both. I have no clue why more devs do not follow this.

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im totally agree,but i think if they wanted us just dont use thunder in pvp,they could remove only for pvp,so there should be other reasons

i know im full of drugs but i still hope that in one of those "????????????" missions without name to dont spoiler (as they said in letter) there will be a new pet or something new for us and blm

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Originally Posted by xardus

im totally agree,but i think if they wanted us just dont use thunder in pvp,they could remove only for pvp,so there should be other reasons

i know im full of drugs but i still hope that in one of those "????????????" missions without name to dont spoiler (as they said in letter) there will be a new pet or something new for us and blm

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There will. Just not in 2.1. As for SMN in PVP, with any direct damage interrupting spells, Garuda just became a house.

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Originally Posted by AshTS

There will. Just not in 2.1. As for SMN in PVP, with any direct damage interrupting spells, Garuda just became a house.

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i dont know,i think i will not use garuda in PVP ,in very short fights ifrit has bigger dps,and bigger resistance in fights,everything depends on pvp mechs,im thinking to use titan for his high hp and defence,with spur\rouse has a decent dps output and a damage reflect that can be usefull,we have to test pvp we cant say anything,we also have new pvp spells to understand well

i didnt remember a thing,if pvp spells can be used only in pvp or there are some that can be used outside? (that can be the answer of nerfs to smn and blm)

With all the threads and people mouthing off about 'why take a melee when you can take a ranged class', you do realize this was bound to happen right? People kinda shot themselves in the foot.

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Originally Posted by Ronzeru

With all the threads and people mouthing off about 'why take a melee when you can take a ranged class', you do realize this was bound to happen right? People kinda shot themselves in the foot.

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usually in pug is preferred take a ranged just because most of melee are not good at avoiding aoe,for example in ads,you can stun and is very usefull,but you still have to avoid things and most melee dps you have to admit,stay in their position taking all dmgs

EDIT : just want to correct me,i dont mean that melee dps are idiots hehehehe but when u look for random pug you can find everything,isnt easy avaoid so much player wich are new to their class play it very bad

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Originally Posted by xardus

usually in pug is preferred take a ranged just because most of melee are not good at avoiding aoe,for example in ads,you can stun and is very usefull,but you still have to avoid things and most melee dps you have to admit,stay in their position taking all dmgs

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Your attitude is why ranged classes got nerfed. A lot of bosses do instant aoe casts without warning. Chain lightning and random aoe attacks from clockwork knights for instance. That damage is unavoidable for melee dps and has nothing to do with skills from the player. What you considered a "bad dps", is in reality the game mechanics that is heavily flavored towards ranged dps and highly biased towards close range melees.

Given how unbalanced the game was, even a 4 year old kid could have told you what patch 2.1 was going to do ranged dps. But ofc, living in a state of denial meant that 90% of the casters did not see the 2.1 nerf coming...

It was clear as night and day to everyone else that change was coming. I have never seen a wp speedrun where people asked for a melee dps. In fact, you have people shouting for 2 brds for coil even though you only need 1 bard at most. And there is only room for 1 token melee dps (just for the LB). If it wasnt for the LB, most groups would rather have 4 ranged dps and no melee at all. When you have things that are this skewed, you know they are going to change it.

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Originally Posted by Truedragon

Your attitude is why ranged classes got nerfed. A lot of bosses do instant aoe casts without warning. Chain lightning and random aoe attacks from clockwork knights for instance. That damage is unavoidable for melee dps and has nothing to do with skills from the player. What you considered a "bad dps", is in reality the game mechanics that is heavily flavored towards ranged dps and highly biased towards close range melees.

Given how unbalanced the game was, even a 4 year old kid could have told you what patch 2.1 was going to do ranged dps. But ofc, living in a state of denial meant that 90% of the casters did not see the 2.1 nerf coming...
It was clear as night and day to everyone else that change was coming. I have never seen a wp speedrun where people asked for a melee dps. In fact, you have people shouting for 2 brds for coil even though you only need 1 bard at most. And there is only room for 1 token melee dps (just for the LB). If it wasnt for the LB, most groups would rather have 4 ranged dps and no melee at all. When you have things that are this skewed, you know they are going to change it.

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i can be agree with you,and im in most of things,but your examples dosnt work really good for me,just because with my fc we often use a monk for silencing in t1,t2 is different,for allagan rots is more handle have 6 caster for debuff managing,it can be done in 5 but there are lots of not good player\first timers who dont watch video so its easier use 6x tactic,i totally agree with melee buff dmg,but for another reason
melee when have to avoid aoe has to stop their dps (well blm has too but for ranged isnt necessary come back to boss so less moving time) and then they need an higer dps output

im not agree about melee dps has to be stronger in dps at every costs,melee has the strong point of higher armor than casters,dont avoid an aoe in most cases take 50% of you hp,for a caster it takes about 80%hp ,melee dps has a very strong point that is stun\silence (dont know if dragoon has both correct me if im wrong) wich makes u essential in most boss fights,if you are a good player you will always find a group,you will make friends who look for you when has to build a run and so on, i also have a small monk im finishing to equip for coil,what i can see doing primals is that without 2.1buff on titan i do a little lower dps than with my summoner with r+1 and half myth equip,and (at least for me) is much easier optimise your dps than a summoner,i didnt play blm so i cant say nothing in that way but think is much easier optimise dps than smn

anyway my attidude is "give me an explanation" ranged nerf is neccessary for pvp but i dont understand why is necessary for pve,just with melee buffs they are on same level,not needed to lower dmg,so they should have thinked a lot before doing,for bard gived an explanation in live letter,but for smn\blm they passed throug forgetting it completely

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Originally Posted by Truedragon

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Here's the thing. Ranged DPS is still going to be preferred. While melee is more viable now since you all have been buffed (especially monks), most boss mechanics are still melee centric, and rather than having to deal with the chance that people will be able to avoid said mechanic, the safe bet will always be to take ranged. The true ideal fix to this situation would be to incorporate more ranged boss mechanics to force all classes to deal with such. Also, 2.1 nerf was only towards bards as far as we knew. It's also cuz the dev say things like: "As I mentioned during the previous LIVE letter, there are a lot of cases where melee combos and chains are interrupted making burst DPS difficult, so dragoon and monk will be receiving roughly a 10% increase in damage per second. Rather than reducing the effectiveness of other classes, we will be making adjustments to increase certain elements this time."

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Originally Posted by PriyaJugulataris

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Agreed. It is just my hunch, but I believe game mechanics may have changed a bit to where bosses and dungeons deal more attacks against ranged dps. They said something about bard doing more damage the further away they are. This would only make any sense if the bosses now target long distance fighters.

Dont quote me on this. We would have to wait till tomorrow to test things out.

@xardus melee dps has to be in close range (ie taking high risks) while ranged dps have full freedom of movement, no stance requirements and virtually take no risks at all. This is the reason why melee dps must have higher dps. With high risks should come high rewards. Low risks, low rewards. There is no point in playing melee if they do not fix this.