More customization would be welcome.
To some extent they tried to do this with the cross-class skills, but there's no real choice there. Maybe they could rework the cross-class skill so you can make a real choice. (Maybe a stronger-than-usual version of 1 particular cross-class skill?)
Or a system that boosts one of your main class skills (e.g. choosing more powerful absorbs, or better regen for healers, or a cheaper emergency heal, or whatever, etc.)
There are a lot of possibilities and it needn't be cookie-cutter. It could even introduce new strategies for fights, or allow you to change your build to tailor a particular fight or team.
and it's bound to make PvP less predictable.
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11-03-2013, 01:50 PMDliver
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11-03-2013, 02:10 PMOrsnoireIrony: the current cross class system is exactly what people are asking for in the sense that it's a system where the choices matter very little for actual combat output and they are, ultimately, flavor abilities that give you uniqueness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dliver
Once you go beyond that simplistic approach and actually make choices that are meaningful, there really isn't a choice anymore as it's only the illusion of choice. Example: you can choose, as a CNJ, to take Virus and Physick over Swiftcast and Sure Cast...but you're a failbird if you choose to do so. Ultimately when the choices matter, there is no choice anymore because there really is a right choice.
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11-03-2013, 02:15 PMAleksandr
I never asked for the jobs in 1.0. I wanted my gladiator to mix with THM and be a RDM without heals (okay I could toss in cure) just like in the original Fantasy. I would like traits and specs as well. While some people would go for a you must have X a lot of us wouldn't. A lot of us just play the game to have fun and the people we play with are of a like mind. So not everyone would, I do not believe even the majority would. I believe the majority of the people who post on boards about how awesome they are would try to find a build they like the most.
P.S: My Warrior went all strength. He isn't dying and he lives through dungeons I want to run him through (AK and WP mostly I'll take him through Ifrit and Garuda as well, not Titan, but that is because I find DL and the crafted gear ugly so he is on hold for a long time gear wise). -
11-03-2013, 02:20 PMDliverMeaningful choices does not mean there's only one right choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orsnoire
Again, different fights could demand different abilities due to different mechanics. Or your team composition.
Or the choices can be meaningful and still relatively equal, overall.
I won't say this very often, but one of the only things WoW did a good job in Pandaland with is their system of picking talents - a total of 6 choices (3 in each column), and rarely are any of them useless. They all tend enhance certain skills that you might favor based on your play style or what fight you're looking at. -
11-03-2013, 02:28 PMCrescent_Dusk
You can run multiple specs in WoW just fine. All specs of warlock are used, as are all specs of DK, mage, and in the case of hunter they have 2 viable specs currently. Speaking mostly of pure classes, not hybrids which all pretty much are viable.
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11-03-2013, 02:32 PMDliverThis too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crescent_Dusk
I can't imagine anyone doesn't find it a little boring how alike we all are in this game? My white mage is exactly the same as any other. Same skills, same gear. There are no specs - no way to be a different kind of white mage.
Everything is so linear about your character - you grind and you all end up in exactly the same place with exactly the same character.
I was clearing Garuda before with another WHM in a PUG and laughing because we were basically overlapping each other casting the same thing at the same time.
It's boring. Who doesn't want to be a little different? -
11-03-2013, 02:50 PMTrevor
A game that did skill trees correctly is dungeon & fighter. It offers a lot of options, and all of them are functional: http://postfiles4.naver.net/20130819...70.jpg?type=w2 (end game gear has a lot of variety, too...)
So while a lot of games end up with a build that does "optimal dps", that's really a core design problem. If your game is engaging enough, it's possible to avoid that entirely (path of exile might be a good example too, haven't played it much to know for sure) -
11-03-2013, 02:50 PMRyios
This game's diversity is that it is designed for you to be multiple jobs. Want to do good dmg with some survivability go dragon or mnk. Want to be tanky, go pld or war. Want to keep people up and rely on your comrades to save your tail, go whm or sch.
I like the way the classes are, they will be easier to balance this way. It will be more about who has the best strategy and skill and less about who is stacking what stat and who has the best gear. -
11-03-2013, 03:32 PMajx
It seems some are forgetting this is Final Fantasy before an MMO . A white mage is the typical final fantasy white mage , cure,regen,holy,esuna + a few spells.
A paladin is a tank(and only tank) and at some point your gladiator will get the option to "spec", as you like to describe it, as dps , most likely dark knight (GLD+ THM), but not yet -
11-03-2013, 03:41 PMZumi
Specs in MMOs people math out what is the best unless they have a system where everything is situational and doesn't really matter if you can swap to different specs.