DL gear

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Originally Posted by Trovyria

I love how the elitism in MMOs now has reached a point where it's deemed you "need" gear 10 to 15 ilvls above the dungeon you want to do. WP is not only possibly in artifact, is in entirely 100% intended to be done in AF gear with a white 50 weapon. AK as well is completely clearable in AF plus some ilvl55 greens. This game is going to reach a point in a few months where unless you already have a relic you won't get one due to no one taking you to even do the quest objectives, and unless you have a +1 and full allagan/AF 1.5 you can forget any premades for anything. Absurd.

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Hmm...when did I say it is not possible? You need to read what I said, I said it is possible, but it just not quite as efficient if everyone is in Artifact doing WP and AK.

Way a put word in my mouth and call me an Elitism. I never speed run anything and oppose of speed run. I guess everything is Elitism this day.


Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

I gave up trying to run CM for tokens. Out of 3 attempts, the tanks bailed at the start of 2 runs because he felt we were "undergearred" due to a lack of DL and/or relics.

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I didn't think there was such a thing as "undergeared" for CM. That is pretty sad. Ran it last night with two brand new tanks in full AF. Took a slight bit longer from having to explain strat but we made it through. It is just sad that people would bail on CM for such a thing, AK maybe (I wouldn't, but I can understand), but CM come on people.

Yes so I went around doing ifrit and Titan without Dl gear I don't care anymore can't do anything unless u wait 3 hours on lower runs I know piss poor attitude

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Hmm...when did I say it is not possible? You need to read what I said, I said it is possible, but it just not quite as efficient if everyone is in Artifact doing WP and AK.

Way a put word in my mouth and call me an Elitism. I never speed run anything and oppose of speed run. I guess everything is Elitism this day.


Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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If it's possible to do them without darklight, then darklight is not needed. You're contradicting yourself.

Of course it's not as efficient without darklight. No leveling/gear up dungeons are. I can run totorak in darklight or in level 15 gear, darklight is not needed. Darklight will be more efficient though.

OP won't be getting into a SR without it but that's not her complaint. Her complaint is that the weirdos in DF CM are griping. They either want a super fast run and are too undergeared or bad to make one on their server (hypocrites), or they want to be carried.

I haven't had anyone drop due to party members in random CMs wearing whatever gear. Heck I see people wearing crafting gear, gear with stats that make no sense (healers in parry accessories, probably SBing), etc. and we still had no issues. If a DPS can get on a cannon, that's all that really matters in CM ♥

Many FFXIV tanks are scaredy-cats and for whatever reason don't want to tank something challenging.

If they leave a dungeon because a party member doesn't have all endgame gear and relic, they fail as tank, because they obviously are too weak to survive the additional 30 seconds the boss fight takes. Nobody using dungeon finder should complain about other players gear if it's not far below the character level.
And the starter lvl50 dungeons can all be done with AF gear and suitable jewelry and weapon.

If you want speed runs, go with your FC and don't waste the time of players who want to advance.

Btw, this is not only a matter of lvl50 dungeons. I've been in a number of groups around lvl30 which had to abandon a dungeon because the drama queen tank left and none would join.

I think this thread is a symptom of duty finder. People only thinking of themselves on both parts. Let me try to explain.

Instances are designed for groups of players. Duty Finder was designed because there were people who wanted to do group combat because it was profitable,but they didn't want to belong to a group. This is true of the people needing the darklight gear for the run a well as the new 50s who want to group in their fresh 50 gear.

The new 50s want to be break into all the new and exciting content at 50 and explore. The veteran DF people have been doing this for weeks at least, the same content over and over. They have run all of the instances about 20 times. They jsut want ot get in and out and get their Tombs so they can get the prized DL gear. Then you have these same people learn about "A Relic Reborn" and they figure they can DF their way though that as well, but you can't, Titan will smash your face if you aren't stopped by AK or Garuda. Then of course there's the non DF instances like chimera and hydra but I digress.

DF is a shortcut for people who don't want to be part of a team but want the rewards that a team can provide. These people are going to manage their adhoc teams in such a way that will be most profitable since this is the general goal of all of these people, myself included IF i decide to use DF. If you want to make friends, DF is probably not the place to go.

Maybe they should give a reward on stones for the group if a first time person completes it

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

Just run CM, you don't need DL gear for that. Only Artifact. Only WP and AK need Dark Light, but even Artifact is possible, but it just take really long and not as efficient.

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i ran WP without DL and crappy rings and neck it was a breeze

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Originally Posted by bonarota

Maybe they should give a reward on stones for the group if a first time person completes it

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I like the idea.

No one think you need DL for ak/wp, you can do both naked with a weapon/jewels
some people just prefer to do it faster, and we make our own group to do it. We are allowed to have preferences when we make our own party in /sh