I do not see what's happening as an overreaction. It's justifiable. If I spent all my time on a crafting class from the get-go, just to be suspended and have most of my earnings taken away (which, by the way 99-90% of the earnings being RMT? Highly unlikely if you've been selling from items from EA-launch)? Of course SE deserves all the negativity they're getting! They obviously don't care about their players' time if they're investigating in this manner. It matters not that the wronged are a fraction of the playerbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by LloydShade
Also: would be fine? Please explain. Because I don't see anything wrong with legitimately being market-savvy and saving your earnings.
Why Was the Official Statement Ignored?
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10-10-2013, 02:24 AMsnugBubz
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10-10-2013, 02:29 AMDivinemightCounterfiet currency is counterfeit. This is your memo: all gils invovled in RMT activites are counterfeit currency. In reality, any business receiving counterfeit currency is a loss they have to take.Quote:
Originally Posted by snugBubz
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10-10-2013, 02:32 AMsnugBubzSure, take away the counterfeit. But it is highly unlikely that 99%-90% of the player's gil is counterfeit. That is the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
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10-10-2013, 02:32 AMWVUTrip
The OP is seriously underestimating the value of virtual currency in games like this. You say it has no value outside of the game? Then Why do RMT sites exist?
What SE has done is basically admit they have no real method of identifying people using RMT so goin forward thy have a set a precedent to just take people's Gil if they had something purchased from them with RMT Gil. Man that sure makes me want to sell stuff on the MB. Hey lets all go level a DoL or DoH class to make Gil so SE can take it from us whenever they deem necessary. Yea that sounds fun.
The worst part about what SE did is install doubt into every player on how the game operates. In any game you play, you play with the assumption that money you make in in game will be there the next time you log in unless your hacked or are involved in unsactioned activities. But in FFXIV who knows? They will come take your Gil at anytime even if you have played the game 100% legit. -
10-10-2013, 02:33 AMKolainatake 99% of every investigated accounts gil? or thoroughly investigate leaving said accounts under investigation for weeks, a month, more?Quote:
Originally Posted by 10TailBeast
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10-10-2013, 02:42 AMWVUTripActually no it is not counterfeit. Counterfeit is fake money made to look like real money. RMT money is real money produced by the game. The RMT sites just set up bots to grind large stock piles of money or hack accounts to steal real Gil. In real life, you accept a loss because there are ways you can check if the money is counterfeit or not. In FFXIV you have no way to know if the Gil is produced by RMT or by a legit player. Also in real life there is insurance to protect you from things like this. Have not seen a Gil insurance salesman in FFXIV yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
Oh and another thing. SE operates and manages the market boards in the game. They take a tax from you for the right to use the market boards. It is them who accepts the RMT money for an item then transfers this Gil to your retainer. This means it is there fault for accepting RMT Gil not the players. Just another reason this was such a horrible and heinous action by SE. -
10-10-2013, 02:43 AMOrophin
Yes, it affected a very small amount of players compared to the total population. A few of those have come forth to make their case that they were a victim of people buying their goods with fraudulent gil. I'm willing to believe that 3 or 4 out of the 568 care about this game and their characters enough to come to these forums to even post about it. The rest are willing to just say f it and quit the game or were actually guilty.
The issue isn't how many people it affected, it's how the situation was handled. If 568 out of a million accounts were flagged, I think they should have done further research on those accounts to see exactly why they had as much gil as they did. It's their damn job after all. Instead, they took the easy way out and did a blanket ban and divided their gil by 100, which left most people with less than what they earned just going through the main storyline. -
10-10-2013, 02:48 AMDivinemightOfficial statement: all currency invovled in RMT are counterfeit.....Quote:
Originally Posted by WVUTrip
That is the rule of this vitrual gaming world set by its creator, the S/E -
10-10-2013, 02:51 AMWVUTripIf it was duped then thy are correct and it was counterfeit. The rest of my statement still stands though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
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10-10-2013, 03:02 AMKolainayes i have played The Last of Us. i agree about Joel being selfish, and like him, so were many of the people whose accounts were affected in this purge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemight
i was making a statement on the community and how no matter which direction SE chose to take to deal with the situation, people would come hear ranting about how injustice has been done.
in my selfishness, it didn't have an impact on me at all so i have no empathy towards these players. to further my selfishness, i'm over joyed to see the deflation the market boards. this deflation has little impact on me as well as i farm my own materials, make what i need, and that's that. i'm sitting on 526k, more than enough to get me through repair bills etc.
people need to just let this go as i believe thanks to the purge the economy has a chance to stabilize. only thing left to do is get rid of the botters, and have an active GM suspending RMT ads on the spot