Manderville Relic Criticism

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They never were relics. Relics don't get crafted in front of your eyes. They get dug up from old ruins.

You were doing something that any player could do if they chose to. Some players would get them faster than others based on skill but they were still accessible to everyone.

If someone didn't get a relic, it's not because you were better than them. It's because they either didn't care about the relics or because they had better uses for their time than grinding out a very shiny weapon in an online game that would be replaced in the next content update.

It's not what you have that makes you special. It's what you do with your life that does.

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what are you even on about?

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Originally Posted by Saraide

If you really wanna just play casual combat content literally nothing is stopping you from doing that. Hell, I can come up with a set of goals for you if you dont want to decide yourself.

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okay please do, and make them EW relevant, because this is the expansion I am subbing for of course :)

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Most players don't do the relics because they want to get a decent weapon.

They do them because they want a very shiny weapon for glamour. The very shiny weapons come from the relic series and Ultimates. With Ultimates out of reach for most, that leaves the relics that can be done by any player - and which many of them have been doing all along.

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Thanks for proving my point. I will add that relic weapon is not only "the shiny weapon", it is somewhat a badge of achievement to represent through what players went to get it. That is why players target them specifically.

There are also augmented Extreme weapons, that are also shiny, but instead of grinding them, one can buy them outright from a Market Board or craft themselves.
If the player truly wanted "the shiny" - this is also a great option.

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Originally Posted by Remember_The_Name

Thanks for proving my point. I will add that relic weapon is not only "the shiny weapon", it is somewhat a badge of achievement to represent through what players went to get it. That is why players target them specifically.

There are also augmented Extreme weapons, that are also shiny, but instead of grinding them, one can buy them outright from a Market Board or craft themselves.
If the player truly wanted "the shiny" - this is also a great option.

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How do you know they don't have both because they consider themselves collectors of shiny weapons?

If you think the relic weapons represent some sort of special achievement, then that's the way you think. I can't argue that.

That does not mean that everyone sees them that way. I think of my friends that farm all the relics and what they say when they get them.

They don't say "I feel like I've achieved something". They say "doesn't this look great?!"

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

They don't say "I feel like I've achieved something". They say "doesn't this look great?!"

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So they are still glad that they got such beauties into their possession, right? Isn't that the same as "achieving something"? :)

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

This idea that getting a weapon in an MMO should necessarily be subject to an unhealthy grind pretty much reserved for people who are either obsessed, on welfare, living in their parents’ basement and/or addicted to gaming is ridiculous. There’s no accomplishment with long grinds other than showing that you have way too much time on your hands and not many interests and/or responsibilities in RL. Personally I would feel ashamed to hold all relics since inception.

The (paying) gamer base has aged, many have jobs, families, responsibilities and can’t carelessly and stupidly spend all their free time grinding a weapon that will soon become obsolete. The new system is fine. Those who want to invent themselves an ARR type of grind can do so. I like that I can finally get a decent weapon (it won’t be BiS until a few months before 7.0) for different jobs in a reasonable amount of time. Don’t care about what others think of what my chars wear, I play for myself, not for strangers.

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welfare queen

There arguably isn't really anything 'unhealthy' about a relic grind so long as one learns to pace themselves. It's honestly quite annoying that so many players in this game's community seem to lack discipline and so demand that content is removed and adjusted as a workaround. Thus ridding those who enjoy such content something they'd otherwise have to work towards as a long term goal.

I quite enjoyed entering Eureka and Bozja every few evenings with my partner and working towards shared goals. It wasn't perfect but it was a lot more engaging than doing roulettes or hunt trains - both of which have long since grown stale for many veteran players.

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Originally Posted by Remember_The_Name

So they are still glad that they got such beauties into their possession, right? Isn't that the same as "achieving something"? :)

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No, it isn't. Look at all the people who buy things from the cash shop and proudly show them off. Are you going to claim they achieved something by getting the cash shop items?

Back Shadowbringers, I grinded out Castle in the Sky. Did I go around showing off my new mount to my friends? No. I simply told them I got Castle in the Sky completed. They knew it was a goal I had set for myself and how happy I was that I accomplished getting it done. The mount was never the goal for me - completing the achievement was. About the only time I use the mount is if I get Aswang for my weekly B rank because the mount is the exact same model as Aswang, even to the colors.

For those who are unhappy with the relic grind this expansion, let me leave you this link. Perhaps a reminder of what your final rewards will look like will make you feel better about it not being a massive grind this time.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...efe7860ff65dc4

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Originally Posted by Gullis

okay please do, and make them EW relevant, because this is the expansion I am subbing for of course :)

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It's a lot of endwalker but not exclusively. Hope you have fun with it:

Totally real relic (I promise((I am lying on the internet))):
Step 1:
Defeat 8 porxies and 8 porxie poachers in Il Mehg.
Clear the dungeon Matoya's relic
Defeat Barbariccia, Rubicante and Scarmiglione

Step 2:
Complete 5 different Fates each in the 6 endwalker zones OR defeat Chi one time
Obtain 75 Lunatender Blossoms
Complete the fate chain The Dataqi Chronicles
Complete 12 Arkasodra Daily quests OR 6 Custom Deliveries for Ameliance

Step 3:
Complete the Dungeons Vanaspati, Smileton and Sigma Dreamscape
Defeat Golbez and complete 5 additional lvl 60 or above trials
(each completion with daily bonus of duty roulettes normal raid or trial can count as one trial)
Complete any one of the following:
Complete all 3 ARR alliance raids once, Complete the tower at paradigm's breach, Complete Dun scaith, Complete The Orbonne Monastery, Complete Aglaia

Step 4:
Obtain 1 Weapon token each from P4, P8 and P12
Accumulate 50 points from the following list:
Shadowbringer dungeon = 2 points
Shadowbringer normal raid = 4 points
Endwalker trial = 1 points
Endwalker alliance raid = 5 points
Endwalker extreme trial = 6 points
Variant dungeon = 5 points
Leveling roulette daily bonus = 6 points
Dungeon roulette lvl 90 = 6 points

Step 5:
Obtain one Grade X Combat Materia of every kind
Open 6 lvl 90 Treasure Maps OR Reach the final stage in either lvl 90 treasure map once
Open 8 Materiel Container 4.0 from your current Grand Company
Obtain 3 Manderium Meteorite

Step 6:
Complete 12 different normal raids from the combined of Endwalker and Shadowbringer OR any one Endwalker Savage raid
Accumulate 30 points from the following list:
HW normal raid = 3 points
SB normal raid = 3 points
HW alliance raids = 5 points
SB alliance raids = 5 points
EW alliance raid = 5 points

Step 7:
Complete duty roulette lvl 50-80 Dungeons 5 times OR defeat any 3 Eureka Orthos bosses
Complete duty roulette trials 5 times OR defeat any 3 PotD bosses
Obtain 3 chunks of complementary chrondite

Step 8:
Obtain 3 Amplifying Achondrite
Defeat the bosses Zodiark, Hydaelyn and Endsinger in their trials OR one of them in the extreme version
Clear all 3 routes in one endwalker Variant dungeons OR clear any one Criterion dungeon
Complete 20 fates in any endwalker or shadowbringer zone OR complete all 3 Blue carnival weekly targets in one week
(report back to me so I can congratulate you on your success :) )

Every step in order, every instanced combat synched, things to buy need to be bought at the step they come up at so no counting of your already bought ew relic mats (because I cant code in new items into the game)

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Originally Posted by Saraide

It's a lot of endwalker but not exclusively. Hope you have fun with it:

Totally real relic (I promise((I am lying on the internet))):
Step 1:
Defeat 8 porxies and 8 porxie poachers in Il Mehg.
Clear the dungeon Matoya's relic
Defeat Barbariccia, Rubicante and Scarmiglione

Step 2:
Complete 5 different Fates each in the 6 endwalker zones OR defeat Chi one time
Obtain 75 Lunatender Blossoms
Complete the fate chain The Dataqi Chronicles
Complete 12 Arkasodra Daily quests OR 6 Custom Deliveries for Ameliance

Step 3:
Complete the Dungeons Vanaspati, Smileton and Sigma Dreamscape
Defeat Golbez and complete 5 additional lvl 60 or above trials
(each completion with daily bonus of duty roulettes normal raid or trial can count as one trial)
Complete any one of the following:
Complete all 3 ARR alliance raids once, Complete the tower at paradigm's breach, Complete Dun scaith, Complete The Orbonne Monastery, Complete Aglaia

Step 4:
Obtain 1 Weapon token each from P4, P8 and P12
Accumulate 50 points from the following list:
Shadowbringer dungeon = 2 points
Shadowbringer normal raid = 4 points
Endwalker trial = 1 points
Endwalker alliance raid = 5 points
Endwalker extreme trial = 6 points
Variant dungeon = 5 points
Leveling roulette daily bonus = 6 points
Dungeon roulette lvl 90 = 6 points

Step 5:
Obtain one Grade X Combat Materia of every kind
Open 6 lvl 90 Treasure Maps OR Reach the final stage in either lvl 90 treasure map once
Open 8 Materiel Container 4.0 from your current Grand Company
Obtain 3 Manderium Meteorite

Step 6:
Complete 12 different normal raids from the combined of Endwalker and Shadowbringer OR any one Endwalker Savage raid
Accumulate 30 points from the following list:
HW normal raid = 3 points
SB normal raid = 3 points
HW alliance raids = 5 points
SB alliance raids = 5 points
EW alliance raid = 5 points

Step 7:
Complete duty roulette lvl 50-80 Dungeons 5 defeat any 3 Eureka Orthos bosses
Complete duty roulette trials 5 times OR times OR defeat any 3 PotD bosses
Obtain 3 chunks of complementary chrondite

Step 8:
Obtain 3 Amplifying Achondrite
Defeat the bosses Zodiark, Hydaelyn and Endsinger in their trials OR one of them in the extreme version
Clear all 3 routes in one endwalker Variant dungeons OR clear any one Criterion dungeon
Complete 20 fates in any endwalker or shadowbringer zone OR complete all 3 Blue carnival weekly targets in one week
(report back to me so I can congratulate you on your success :) )

Every step in order, every instanced combat synched, things to buy need to be bought at the step they come up at so no counting of your already bought ew relic mats (because I cant code in new items into the game)

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Nice work. They should put you in charge of the 7.0 relic (i'm actually serious)
Ill get working