just reminding SE they added two new races last expansion ...

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Yugiri has had a face/horn combo unavailable to Au Ra players since she was first unmasked back in 2.55, so I wouldn't take that as an indicator of anything.

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Yugiri is literally a named NPC that has reappeared frequently in MSQ since before 2.55. I'm talking unnamed NPCs that dot the landscape to give areas life and flavor that you can't even speak to. Some Hrothgar NPCs of that variety are the ones that *reportedly* have face/hair combos inaccessible to players, which is notably unique to Hrothgar NPCs verses all other available races.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I know this might be something weird to think, but... What if Viera didn't get the most recent hairstyles adapted because of Hrothgar?

Viera has basically a common humanoid head with ears sitting on top of the head... Even though the position is slightly different than a Miqo'te's, it wouldn't clip in many hairstyes, especially these ones, that have the head top pretty flat. Hrothgar on the other hand, is the first race to have have a non humanoid head, which would probably ensue much more work to adapt most of these styles, if not an actual 3D remodelling.

Thus they're not making some of these available for Viera because they can't afford the workload that would be to give it to Hrothgar as well.

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.......But its already modeled for the other races (which is 6 btw)...Saying that SE doesn't want to do this for Viera BECAUSE of Hrothgar is literally comparing apples to oranges...especially, which as you stated, Viera have a similarly shaped head to every other race in the game... Theres another reason behind it minus them wanting to give race specific hairstyles to the other 2 races

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Originally Posted by MorionQ

Yugiri is literally a named NPC that has reappeared frequently in MSQ since before 2.55. I'm talking unnamed NPCs that dot the landscape to give areas life and flavor that you can't even speak to. Some Hrothgar NPCs of that variety are the ones that *reportedly* have face/hair combos inaccessible to players, which is notably unique to Hrothgar NPCs verses all other available races.

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That's no different to Yugiri in the end, and neither is it new. The devs can do all sorts of things with character customisation that players can't get to through the character creator, like adding custom faces or hairstyles.

Hrothgar's problem is that the character design template has been used in an odd way and there's nowhere to put hairstyle choice, because that menu is used for fur pattern, so it got tied to the faces. The devs can probably make NPCs with the "wrong mane for their face" just the same as they can make an Au Ra with the wrong horns. In both cases it's a design element that the player can't choose, but an NPC has it anyway.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That's no different to Yugiri in the end, and neither is it new. The devs can do all sorts of things with character customisation that players can't get to through the character creator, like adding custom faces or hairstyles.

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Pretty much. I'm still waiting to be able to make a character with a similar appearance to Gaia.

They're not going to give us everything NPCs have tbh, I would assume to be able to keep some degree of separation and individuality between WoLs and NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I know this might be something weird to think, but... What if Viera didn't get the most recent hairstyles adapted because of Hrothgar?

Viera has basically a common humanoid head with ears sitting on top of the head... Even though the position is slightly different than a Miqo'te's, it wouldn't clip in many hairstyes, especially these ones, that have the head top pretty flat. Hrothgar on the other hand, is the first race to have have a non humanoid head, which would probably ensue much more work to adapt most of these styles, if not an actual 3D remodelling.

Thus they're not making some of these available for Viera because they can't afford the workload that would be to give it to Hrothgar as well.

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i would accept this happily , i would appreciate their honesty instead of promising us things they can't give .
if yoshida say it to our faces no you are not going to get any new hairstyles is 1000X than not saying anything at all .

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I know this might be something weird to think, but... What if Viera didn't get the most recent hairstyles adapted because of Hrothgar?

Viera has basically a common humanoid head with ears sitting on top of the head... Even though the position is slightly different than a Miqo'te's, it wouldn't clip in many hairstyes, especially these ones, that have the head top pretty flat. Hrothgar on the other hand, is the first race to have have a non humanoid head, which would probably ensue much more work to adapt most of these styles, if not an actual 3D remodelling.

Thus they're not making some of these available for Viera because they can't afford the workload that would be to give it to Hrothgar as well.

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This may not be a reason... but what I've heard from people who use mods for the game is that viera hairstyles are actually stored in a different location in the game (forgive me if I'm wording this wrong, I'm not well versed in proper lingo) than other races, occupying the same spot on a character model as the legacy tattoo. Apparently they weren't able to do certain modifications without also removing that tattoo from the viera model. Depending on how many items can be stored into memory for that character customization slot, it could explain as well why the number of hairstyles for viera are limited, as well as why every new hairstyle doesn't immediately become available to them.

Specuating here... but it's also possible that they know immediately that not all hairstyles will work with every set of ears, either with the hair being so large as to make the lop-ears clip down through them, or with the hair being so short cropped that the ears would float off the top of the head.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

This may not be a reason... but what I've heard from people who use mods for the game is that viera hairstyles are actually stored in a different location in the game (forgive me if I'm wording this wrong, I'm not well versed in proper lingo) than other races, occupying the same spot on a character model as the legacy tattoo. Apparently they weren't able to do certain modifications without also removing that tattoo from the viera model. Depending on how many items can be stored into memory for that character customization slot, it could explain as well why the number of hairstyles for viera are limited, as well as why every new hairstyle doesn't immediately become available to them.

Specuating here... but it's also possible that they know immediately that not all hairstyles will work with every set of ears, either with the hair being so large as to make the lop-ears clip down through them, or with the hair being so short cropped that the ears would float off the top of the head.

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Why does SE do things like this? That would actually explain why they would only add a limited number of styles, even if they were going to add any. I've speculated for awhile that they would have to do a full on overhaul to "fix" these races, and it makes even more sense now. They really did these races dirty, I think.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Why does SE do things like this? That would actually explain why they would only add a limited number of styles, even if they were going to add any. I've speculated for awhile that they would have to do a full on overhaul to "fix" these races, and it makes even more sense now. They really did these races dirty, I think.

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With how much strain the system appears to be under it appears to have been "do them dirty" or not at all. Personally I adore my Viera and if my options were never every get a hairstyle or hat, ever or them having just not adding them, I'd a thousand times take them as they are. I've never been happy on a race till they added Viera, course I'd welcome all the hairstyles and why I never really used hats save for one, I'd want them for all that want them, I'm content, I'm just happy to be happy with my character. I'm fine with waiting till if/when they expand on them, weather that's 6.0 or whenever they fabled engine overhaul comes.

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

With how much strain the system appears to be under it appears to have been "do them dirty" or not at all. Personally I adore my Viera and if my options were never every get a hairstyle or hat, ever or them having just not adding them, I'd a thousand times take them as they are. I've never been happy on a race till they added Viera, course I'd welcome all the hairstyles and why I never really used hats save for one, I'd want them for all that want them, I'm content, I'm just happy to be happy with my character. I'm fine with waiting till if/when they expand on them, weather that's 6.0 or whenever they fabled engine overhaul comes.

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I think it would have been better off if they had not done them at all, not in this limited state. At least not until their graphical overhaul - which will supposedly make these things easier. Of course SE saw the edition of both female viera/male hrothgar as worth the resources spent creating, and now maintaining them - and it probably was in fantasia sales and marketing for ShB, in the short term. Like I said, they would have to do a complete overhaul to "fix" them; in the long term this is detrimental to the races, and the game, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Personally, I think the bunny race is dumb. Everyone whined when they didn't do it "exactly as they'd hoped" anyway.

At least hrothgar are something different.


I'm of the mind that they should have just ignored all the Viera fans and only done one race. (which would have been hrothgar BTW, not Viera)

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This...but at the same time also not.

Just like they explained how they didn't have the resources to finish both races they could've simply just said "No, we do not plan on adding Viera with Shadowbringers. We only have resources for one race and Hrothgar are already in developement, deal with it"

Now they have a shitstorm on their hands every time they update the game and it does not include the new additions for both unfinished races.




And this is where my viewpoint differs because yes, they did not have the resources to finish both, it makes sense and besides thinking that it was a dumb idea to begin with I see no issue with that.
What I do have an issue with however is that those races are not getting any new additions. Why? Simply because they would've had to add that gear and the hairstyles to the new Hrothgar race anyway in case they decided to not create Viera. They would've still had to make hair and headgear compatible with both male and female Hrothgar, just like they had to make it compatible with male and female Au Ra back in Heavensward.

So when I look at the fact that they now have the exact same situation (making gear and hair compatible with the male and female model of a race) they would've had if they had just added 1 single race I can see why people are annoyed.
If they had only added male & female Hrothgar, as originally planned, would they have just ignored those as well?

And as someone already said, Hrothgar heads might make adapting hair and headgear more difficult since they are quite different to all the other race's heads. But this then begs the question, wouldn't it have been even more work if they made both male and female hrothgar?