Labyrinth and Syrcus Tower...

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Originally Posted by Oichi

I only started unlocking alliance raids when ShE arrived, since I wanted to know the Crystal Tower story. I had always thought that raids would be too confusing/difficult for me and I didn't want to screw my group. After being a bit more familiar with the Crystal Tower series, I unlocked Void Ark, which i haven't seen yet. I also unlocked and yes, roulette put me in Rabanastre (which I enjoyed a lot) and Ridorana (which I found more confusing, I died at some point there, but I still liked it). So I unlocked Orborne and after reading these threads I am actually scared of getting it...seem that people will either abandon at start of abandon because of wipes at the last boss... And it would be my first time there, so yeah, I am a bit terrified of highly contributing to group failure... but at the same time, I would love to see the conclusion to that story arc. We'll see how this all ends for me, lol.

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Orbonne really isn't that bad. It just requires a good bit of situational awareness, plus a few new mechanics. The only one that really gives people a lot of trouble is the next to last boss who basically serves as a gatekeeper. But even that one isn't too hard for the most part. None of it is that complicated though. People can just make it that way.

Not everyone using the roulettes has that job geared. When I'm leveling my other jobs I use what ever gear is cheapest

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Not everyone using the roulettes has that job geared. When I'm leveling my other jobs I use what ever gear is cheapest

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Poetics literally fall from the sky, do anything and you have them capped, not an excuse.

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Originally Posted by Samsta

Poetics literally fall from the sky, do anything and you have them capped, not an excuse.

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Why should ones buy gear for a class that once you get it to max level you never use it again. Nice try but no cigar. You go ahead and store all that high level gear I'm sure not. There is no gear requirement for heaven on high and when i'm not running roulettes i'm in there. I only craft good gear on job that play often not one that never use again. How about they just make level 50 alliance raid roulette, level 60 alliance roulette, level 70 alliance roulette, and level 80 alliance roulette that fix the problem.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Why should ones buy gear for a class that once you get it to max level you never use it again. Nice try but no cigar. You go ahead and store all that high level gear I'm sure not. There is no gear requirement for heaven on high and when i'm not running roulettes i'm in there. I only craft good gear on job that play often not one that never use again. How about they just make level 50 alliance raid roulette, level 60 alliance roulette, level 70 alliance roulette, and level 80 alliance roulette that fix the problem.

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Because you don't really have anything other to use poetics for? That's pretty much the only use for them at this point.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Not everyone using the roulettes has that job geared. When I'm leveling my other jobs I use what ever gear is cheapest

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The NQ gear from the NPC vendors is usually good enough to queue into all 3 of the level appropriate 24 man raids. You can buy lvl 50 / ilvl 115 gear in Ishgard wich is good enough to join World of Darkness, lvl 60 / ilvl 255 gear is in Ishagrd available as well and in Kugane you can buy lvl 70 / ilvl 385 gear.

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Originally Posted by Samsta

Because you don't really have anything other to use poetics for? That's pretty much the only use for them at this point.

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You can buy grade 3 topsoil with it ^^/

It partly coems down to a player skill issue.Hence why people gear switch to get the lvl 50 dungeons.
Most players still cant do the frist boss in dun scaith for example.I constantly see people failing second boss mechanics in weeping city.
And somehow people still eat every mechanic on thundergod cid despite being arguably the easiest boss in orbonne.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Yeah or they need to adjust the system so that you simply cant queue for the roulette if you dont meet the ilvl requirement for all duties of your level...

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I think this is the ideal solution, I hope it can be done

I am tired too. Every single day the same over and over. Sometimes I get Ridorana or any Ivalice alliance and people immediately leave. What it worst, you just need one people purposely lowering his item level to force 23 players to run the same dungeons over and over. This is one of the reason I don't want minimum item level for leveling dungeons, because people will start do this too here. And there is something else. People kicking a random party member so they can leave without penalty. This is fucking annoying an unfair.

Maybe some ways that could discourage this behavior:

1. Changing duty finder algorithm to detect if a player is purposely lowering his item level (but I am not sure if this is even possible). Or change it in the way people with the correct item level can enter in anyone despite people lowering theirs (but this may affect people who is doing the first raids for the first time).

2. Put a limit to item level. Let's say; 90 for Labyrinth, 110 for Syrcus, 130 for WoD, 210 for Void Ark, 240 for Weeping City, 270 for Dun Scaith, 340 for Rabanastre, 370 for Ridorana and 400 for Orbonne. By doing this, people will have to do mechanics again and not just brainless advance, so will kill the purpose of get this two raids only.

3. Totally remove the item level requirement, like leveling dungeons. The problem will be people undergeared again.

In addition to this, make leavers get the penalty even if they are not the first in leave to fix the problem of kicking randomly another innocent player to leave without penalty.

When you see even famous streamers (I will not point finger, but they are doing it) doing this in direct, you know how bad the thing is.

Another possibility could be to implement a "rotating" roulette like Frontline offers a different battlefield that changes each day. Each day offers a different tier of roulettes (one day is CT roulette, next day is Mhach roulette, etc.), and the ilevel requirement changes accordingly based on the top raid in the tier.

Of course, this has the obvious downside that people trying to queue for specific raids can only easily get a party together every third day... but would greatly improve the wait time on those days.

Not sure if it would be better or worse than the current system.