How would an optional, official parser be toxic?

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Originally Posted by Shouko

Why does it matter there are 3rd party ones already available, they don't need official ones.

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The 3rd party parsers don't work for PS4 players. For PS4 players there is actually no way of seeing how we perform, unless a PC gamer who happens to be in our party uploads the parse.

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Originally Posted by DaulBan

Why do people say this? WoW doesn't have a parser out of the box, you gotta go install it from a third party site, just like with FF, and in WoW I've literally never seen anyone get heckled for their DPS.

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They weren't exactly heckled for it, but I was in a Heroic raid last week where we had to remove a DPS who was doing less damage than the tanks. Like... way less damage. Which is precisely why I want an official parser in XIV too, so there's no song and dance around trying to find out who's dragging down the rest of the group. Personal parsers and ratings at the end of the run are useless for in-the-now progression and overall.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

It is only because you are not in an officer chat.
Also, even WoW does not have an official parser out of the box, why S/E need to offer one?

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Why shouldn't it? I've never seen a legitimate argument against parsers. It always boils down to "someone might use it to be mean" which is a poor reason not to have a helpful tool. Some people may use it to be a dick, but they're going to find a way to be a dick regardless.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I thought we were friends ;-;

'Some randoms' </3

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You weren't in that party!

"How would it be toxic?"

Just look at the comments in the forums when the mere idea is presented... nuff said?

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Originally Posted by ryouma17

have you ever played WoW? unless you want the FF14 community to turn toxic the last thing this game needs is a dps meter

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I've played WoW a while and i NEVER saw anything what you want to make people believe. I've also played a lot of other games with parsers and these coms were not toxic because of the parser, they where toxic because they where toxic in general.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

For god’s sake, stop asking for parser.

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This gets asked far too often. The answer that keeps coming back is a very firm "No." Perhaps joking or not, Yoshida started to walk out on yet-another-Parser-please question. To the point that he said, "No, we will not make an official parser, even if it only tracks the individual. We know it will be broken, re-coded or otherwise re-worked by the community to display everyone. Please stop asking."

As for the topic, "how would a parser be toxic?" Before SE pushed the 'don't ask, don't tell' mentality of parsers, people were kicking under performing players for not pulling arbitrary numbers in their parties. This is probably what SE is trying to avoid, because if they make, or otherwise acknowledge, an allowance of the tool, people will be excluded for ... reasons ... on a game they pay a membership for. It will then be SE's problem officially. Right now, it's more of a 'don't want bad players, don't run with random players' - like any other MMO or multiplayer game.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

It is only because you are not in an officer chat.
Also, even WoW does not have an official parser out of the box, why S/E need to offer one?

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WoW does not have a threat meter out of the box, but yet FFXIV does.

The idea, or the implementation of a parser would not be toxic. It's the people that use it that make it toxic, and people have demonstrated time and time again that they cannot use a parser responsibly.

The answer to the op's question is so obvious, when his thread is surrounded by http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-in-this-game and http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...is-with-people XD

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

The answer to the op's question is so obvious, when his thread is surrounded by http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-in-this-game and http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...is-with-people XD

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One of those posts is iffy because OP cried foul once. The other one was due to player error.

Both of these have happened, and will happen, without a parser, so these aren't really answers to my question.