SAM out classing all other DPS

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Originally Posted by Janhyua

You guys need to play samurai before you even consider posting here lol

Samurai opener is literally rocket science! And the gauge management it's important too it's alot more complicated then you think

I tried to master the samurai opener and could never get it right

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Just because you can't play the job right doesn't mean other people can't, and plenty of people posting here probably do play SAM as well as other jobs.

Even if it is the most difficult job to play, which is entirely debatable (it isn't as complex as most people would lead you to think), that doesn't mean that it somehow gets a pass to be overly powerful compared to its role counterparts.

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Originally Posted by Janhyua

You guys need to play samurai before you even consider posting here lol

Samurai opener is literally rocket science! And the gauge management it's important too it's alot more complicated then you think

I tried to master the samurai opener and could never get it right

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Take your own advice, and avoid commenting on SAM if you can't even get their rotation down.

And no, just because you can't do it doesn't mean it's some unbelievably hard job. It's actually rather smooth.

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Originally Posted by Shunye

Progressing in savage level content with entry level gear means you will not be afforded with the luxury of anyone dying due to hard enrage timers. so the arguement of "dying" does not apply to groups that are min/maxing. i've said it before and i'll say it again. damage on it's own can not be a reason to bring a class or raids will end up stacking that class and foregoing classes that sacrifice damage for utility.

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Despite the fact that your goal is not to die, there are a good many fights, even during progression, that allow for recovery. Pentamelded crafted gear says hello for all fights except the final in any raid tier. Even disregarding that, the point still stands. If the SAM isn't at maximum efficiency, all of the time (that means they aren't dying, AND they're maintaining the perfect rotation/uptime), they aren't going to be as good as the next best option.

And really, I'm not disagreeing that raw damage is a poor excuse for a unique trait. However, they are clearly running out of ideas when their idea of 'synergy' is slapping 5%-10% damage buffs on Jobs and calling it a day. Of all their options, this seems about right, unless we really want yet another Job who's only 'unique' trait is their raidwide damage buff.

Also, if people start stacking any Job this expansion, it's going to be RDM. 2x Embolden, along with their DPS, and the potential for at least 2-4 insta-cast raises at any given point of a fight, AND the backup heals? That's a way better setup for safety AND DPS.

It's kind of weird that people are so worried about SAM. It really is. Like, what's the ideal outcome? I really am curious what people expect for the ideal balance to be for the Job, where it's wanted in groups for something 'special', but also doesn't make them feel insecure or otherwise 'out-classed'.

I assume SE will wait until they have numbers from the first raid. Trying to balance jobs around trifling content is ludicrous and inefficient.

It also feels disingenuous when people formulate facts based on I've seen, I've heard, it feels like and the likes. Feelcraft does not work when balancing jobs. I do hope SE looks at the numbers and tries to balance out the field.

Samurai openner os Rocket science lul.

Most of 3.x dps openner were way more complex than SAM.

If you wanna be elitist, at least pick a hard job to represent you

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Originally Posted by Janhyua

Samurai opener is literally rocket science!

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Just a single read through the tooltips, assuming H:K cannot affect Higanbana, would push one towards the weaponskill rotation:
H S K H J IJ MS Y K G H:K-IJ and then rotate S J and Y while using 3-seal H:K-IJ, replacing 1-seal IJ as close as possible to when it falls off.

The 2-3 GCD flexibility in reapplying Higanbana would seem to make the only difficult portions of the rotation the refresh on MS and when to use Hagakure.

SAM has 3 different openers that range from easy to hard which equates to the way your skills will line up down the road. People get this idea that SAM is so ez yet are 1000 dps below the next SAM who knows how to min/max the class. I'm sure a good portion of the player base here doesn't even know how to optimally play one but will still complain.

Like someone said before, MNK was the sameway nut didn't bring enough DPS to warrant taking one and all of the MNK players were upset yet all the other class just sweep MNK under a rug, but now SE has produced a class that fits that mold perfectly and everyone looses their mind at the idea that your class may actually be replaced in a raid?

Also, why is no one crying about BLM who are parsing right beside SAM?

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Originally Posted by MiruWest

Also, why is no one crying about BLM who are parsing right beside SAM?

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I want to take a wild guess and say it's because there aren't currently 1000s of BLM's running around at the moment.

Yea sounds about right I guess.

SAM is the new meta punching bag pretty much haha.