[DEV Question] Why is this allowed?

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

A perfect party would be everyone in full 270 gear, melded and all knowing their job.

Asking a DRG to wear their accessories is hardly asking for the world... I personally wouldn't have taken a penalty and kicked them but whatever xD

I would say getting "pouty" about being expected to wear appropriate gear (not even BiS) is more indicative of an entitlement complex.

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I did try the kick motion, it failed, so I left, I will not be carrying people like that, I do not have to, and expecting me too is offensive. I called a GM on the bypassing matter and they said they will look into it, so it is enough for them to do an investigation at least and that is enough for me to show I do not have to deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

/sigh
No, I'm not denying. There is a flaw between ilvl requirement and the impact of the weapon.

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/sigh

I never said you were denying the flaw in the ilevel requirement and impact of the weapon....you are reading before responding right?

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Originally Posted by Miste

flaws in the DF system

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Originally Posted by Miste

acknowledging the DF system is flawed

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Originally Posted by Miste

you deny the DF flaw even exists which really makes no sense at this point and is the main reason for my recent responses to you.

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^I said you were denying the flaws in the DF system. All my recent responses have been about THAT; nothing about the weighting idea of yours

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

If the game decided that this BLM was able to enter, then it's not a problem that he's here in that state.

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^Initial statement you made denying the problems with the DF system. All my recent responses to you goes back to this quote from you. You still haven't responded about why you think that is an okay mentality to have even with all the evidence I've given you on why it isn't okay.

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Originally Posted by Miste

My issue was you claiming "if the game lets you enter it's not a problem"

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^Me telling you this is the issue I have with your post, not your weighting idea or anything to do with the ilevel weights at all actually.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Just because the game lets you queue doesn't mean there are no flaws with the DF system.

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^Showed you, with a screenshot, the scenario I described proving the flaw in the DF system that would let a tank queue while in a state that is completely unable to tank the content at all.

So yeah please point out where I said you denied the ilevel and weapon impact because that isn't what I've been talking about this whole time <.<
I've been talking about you saying that special statement you made "if the game decided you can enter, then it's not a problem"

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted, Yes, you do deserve the penalty.

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http://i.imgur.com/6GJ85IT.png?1

So....if you got a tank like this ^ in your DF party when you loaded into a dungeon.

Would you be upset?
Would you leave?
Would you vote kick?
Would you be mad they wasted your time?

Seriously curious. If you say Yes to ANY of those, you are a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Keep your passive agressiveness to yourself, you are making yourself look foolish as the entire point has gone over your head.

A DRG and wear ilvl 260 tank accessories and still get in that PF group. So yeah "wow that was easy" to bypass >.>

Show me where the person you responded to said they wanted a group in full ilvl 270 gear and it wasn't something you just made up with your kneejerk white knighting. I'll be waiting.

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That's what counts as passive aggressive these days? If anything you've got the tone of someone doing it.

Anyway, they didn't. You're the one who brought up the definitive "perfect." And so what if I do white knight? I'll gladly defend players who just want to get by and enjoy the game they paid for. "But it wastes other people's time" some will argue. Simple solution, make friends and stop dealing with people you dont like.

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Originally Posted by Miste

So....if you got a tank like this ^ in your DF party when you loaded into a dungeon.

Would you be upset?
Would you leave?
Would you vote kick?
Would you be mad they wasted your time?

Seriously curious. If you say Yes to ANY of those, you are a hypocrite.

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I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know. In fact, the only time I ever use DF is if I can't get a full party with friends or I'm running PotD/PVP. I practice what I preach and will almost always have a personal, full augmented tank and or healer at my side.

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Originally Posted by Miste

Would you be upset?
Would you leave?
Would you vote kick?
Would you be mad they wasted your time?

Seriously curious. If you say Yes to ANY of those, you are a hypocrite.

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There is no way I be healing that, vote kick would take place right at the 5 min mark or id end up leaving. Also I believe I shouldn't HAVE TO WAIT 5 mins to kick something like that, maybe just make a better system for gear checking? Also I assume you rejected the queue or fixed gear on entry? lamo

Also Clethoria yes you are being passive-aggressive and being offensive to people (so far)

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know. In fact, the only time I ever use DF is if I can't get a full party with friends or I'm running PotD/PVP. I practice what I preach and will almost always have a personal, full augmented tank and or healer at my side.

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You should notice that on the first pull without checking gear. Then again I am an aware person as a healer. Then again I guess it takes wiping a few times for you to.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know.

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So...you wouldn't notice if a tank had less than a third of their usual HP and was dying in like 3 hits due to low armor?

That's "a tad" oblivious.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

That's what counts as passive aggressive these days? If anything you've got the tone of someone doing it.

Anyway, they didn't. You're the one who brought up the definitive "perfect." And so what if I do white knight? I'll gladly defend players who just want to get by and enjoy the game they paid for. "But it wastes other people's time" some will argue. Simple solution, make friends and stop dealing with people you dont like.

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I don't deny I do, difference between me and you is I know what I'm talking about you clearly do not.

Oh so we don't just wanna get by and play the game? Only people who wanna cheese a system do that... Ofc that makes perfect sense... I do wonder though do you offer this advice to the players who do cheese the system or do you just blame the rest of us for being meanies? I'm guessing the latter. One rule for them another for us eh?

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

You got pouty because you didn't get the perfect party you wanted.

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Mhmm sure I'm the one who brought it up :P

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

I dont look at other people's gear like that so I wouldn't know. In fact, the only time I ever use DF is if I can't get a full party with friends or I'm running PotD/PVP. I practice what I preach and will almost always have a personal, full augmented tank and or healer at my side.

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So... you're basically just closing your eyes and look the other way when it comes to problems like this? And when someone encounters such a tank/healer/dps its their fault for not having their pocket tank/healer/dps and just wanting to play and enjoy the game?
This is a great attitude, really...

I always like to ask myself the question: Would a person with gear/skill like that get past this dungeon/boss in a single-player game? If not, what would they do? Get better gear? Get better at the game? Quit the game? Ask a friend to do it for them? If anything, they would HAVE to do something because they couldnt progress and the game is telling them that - here, you've got up to 23 other people carrying your ass, why is that okay?
We NEED the game telling people that its not - even a fluffy little themepark needs some rules.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

So...you wouldn't notice if a tank had less than a third of their usual HP and was dying in like 3 hits due to low armor?

That's "a tad" oblivious.

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No, I dont have this problem at all. I ask to be catered to, and I receive because, as I've said, I almost always have a personal tank and or healer at hand. If I can get neither, Party Finder. Why should I have to deal with problems that can easily be avoided? Because I really don't think I should.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

I don't deny I do, difference between me and you is I know what I'm talking about you clearly do not.
Oh so we don't just wanna get by and play the game? Only people who wanna cheese a system do that... Ofc that makes perfect sense... I do wonder though do you offer this advice to the players who do cheese the system or do you just blame th rest of us for being meanies? I'm guessing the latter.



Mhmm sure I'm the one who brought it up :P

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Sure, call me passive aggressive and retaliate with full snark. I speak on experience and I've experienced enough to know that ragequitting doesn't have to be a thing if you take the strides to avoid it.

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

Sure, call me passive aggressive and retaliate with full snark. I speak on experience and I've experienced enough to know that ragequitting doesn't have to be a thing if you take the strides to avoid it.

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No you go a step further and say bad behaviour and disregard for others you may come across is ok coz it's their own fault for daring to do a roulette/trial/raid without a full group >.>

Sure call me pointing exactly what you said you didn't do as "snark" xD

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Originally Posted by Clethoria

And so what if I do white knight? I'll gladly defend players who just want to get by and enjoy the game they paid for. "But it wastes other people's time" some will argue. Simple solution, make friends and stop dealing with people you dont like.

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I rest my case.