Raid runs and gear drops

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Originally Posted by Okiura

Rather the flame you here as well for you lack of understanding of Elitism, i'm just put a link to my other post that does it for me http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...275#post306275

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Sry, Tho I'm not interested in your definiton by google, wiki, etc, as a means of defense. I'm stating on here that having those said items basically shows elitism, or attitude of these jackA$$es who fired on Rogue. Period.

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

tl;dr 10char

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And to you lil man Tl:dr 10char to you rofl

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Originally Posted by ZachCero

Sry, Tho I'm not interested in your definiton by google, wiki, etc, as a means of defense. I'm stating on here that having those said items basically shows elitism, or attitude of these jackA$$es who fired on Rogue. Period.

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maybe you're not intrested the definitions, but doesnt change the fact you mis-labeling the people who like a bit of a challange to a game an elitist jacka$$. so let me ask you this, would you pefer;

a) Running around for a hour doing a quest that has absolutly noting challenging about it's just time consuming and easy.

b) A a quest/fight that tests the skills you have gained from playing and lvl you're Class up to lvl 50.

you should also chackout some of the reasons the OP got flamed, think you'll find it was cos his complaint is that only one party setup will work to complete a speed run on a R45 dungon. i can guarntee you this is not the case, more only 1 setup is known to work at the moment.

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Originally Posted by ZachCero

Ok, I've read up till this point. Dr mog and a few others need to go back to ur FFfanboy rock and go ahead and lv the jobs that are not out yet. Why? cause you are so Elite you can!

Rogue, you on the other hand I commend you. You are the epitome of what we call a hard worker, not an elitist but one who tries their best (Who SE supposedly want to reward to, right?. You have the balls to post this up and Ive read almost every comment of jacka$$es who claim to be helping you, with undertones of condescending mockery.

I am a 50 gla who has all jobs @least above 20 and I love to help people out get their crap. I've watched numerous people come and go with full gear, minus verdant bow and Templar's Falchion. So much gear...
But I've been disagreeing with the way SE has done this "time limit" and "speed runs" for 2 Items, really?

One post I read I really like is make all the items drop from the final chest. just make the sword or bow a Super rare drop or shit, that'll about equal out to how many who actually have the 2 items.

Now before I hit submit and call down the fire of the heavens upon myself, I would like the people who wont take a step back and put urself in other people shoes to feel their disappointment and probably agony because they cant do the run right or have to go back to rank up a job from scratch just to make others happy or receive one item, to chill the F out guys. Did your mothers raise you to be so cruel?

Stop pointing the nub finger and support this thread, Cause I know I do.

BTW Rogue hope your still reading this. I know you received a shitload of hate from this thread, but know you you arent the only who who feels this way, and you just posting this thread bring it one step closer to making the devs realize Elitism is the same as segregation.

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Lmao, what? A hard worker? Rogue? Haha!

This isn't really to discredit that he may be a hard worker, but to point out, the guy is crying and bitching about the speed run when he hasn't even completed (or attempted?) Batraal normal run. How bout he first accomplishes one thing before he even tries to open his stupid mouth to spout out the absurd lol.

Elitism, give me a fcking break lol.

Rogue hasnt even been in dungeon yet?

why the hell is this thread even made? I guess when Rogue finally does DH he will realize how easy it really is with good organization.

I questioned if he has been in it, but we know he hasn't completed it for sure.

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Dear SE

I have a gripe about the way we are supposed to get some of the drops from the R45+ dungeon (dzemadfsbnfsl darkhold)

apparently you can only get some items by doing a "speed run" and having 35+ minuted left on the clock at completion, for example i am a Glad main and i want the falchion sword

the thing is i only do runs in my LS and in the interest of being fair we never have a party setup that can accomplish this.. IE tank, archers and mages

i can appreciate some poeple dont want it to be too easy.. like me- but at the same time lets not try to shun certain people

if im honest the raids have put a strain on the LS because we want to succeed but we want all our members to experience the raid even if they arent an archer or mage.

and whats more some of our guys are new R50's and dont have all their sub abilities, it is especially critical the tank is an experienced player and i have noticed some of our new glads have been put the way side which is also dissheartening for them, and its not like anybody wants a second glad just to DD...

to sum up, i can appreciate people want a challenge but lets try to make things as fun as possible for as many people as possible, maybe it SHOULD be easy for experienced players with all their sub abilities and still be a challenge for inexperienced players

there could be a difficulty setting where if you beat it on full difficulty you can at least get bragging rights but everyone will atleast be able to complete and get the gear..

im sure you understand

thanks

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I have seen several LS fall apart from this, my own has been impacted as well slightly. The way i see it, the people that actually care about their friends are the ones that stick around. I'd rather give every member in my LS a batraal victory then do a single speedrun (even though I am well speced for it).

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Originally Posted by Keftenk

the guy is crying and bitching about the speed run when he hasn't even completed (or attempted?) Batraal normal run. How bout he first accomplishes one thing before he even tries to open his stupid mouth to spout out the absurd lol.

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One of the reasons for this forum existance is to report percived problems with the game. If someone sees a problem (or something which he belives to be a problem, this is open to discussion) with something (in this case it's mostly about class balance from what I understand) then it really doesn't matter if the poster completed the run or not.

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Originally Posted by Haji

One of the reasons for this forum existance is to report percived problems with the game. If someone sees a problem (or something which he belives to be a problem, this is open to discussion) with something (in this case it's mostly about class balance from what I understand) then it really doesn't matter if the poster completed the run or not.

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Until you personally have been in there adn completed it a few times all complaints are void.

On what grounds are ur complaints solid enough based on just your observations and lack of experience of the topic?

So, if 100 people starts to play the game and manage to level to a point where they can enter the final raid, which only 5 people complete, then what? The 5 people can decide whether or not dungeon is good or bad, and 95 people can take a hike? What if the dungeon is such a hot issue, that 40 of those 100 people leave the game? This is just an example, but it illustrates why all players should be entintled to opinion. FFXIV is commercial enterprise, it needs it players. And this is why they should listen to them instead of "you haven't completed, you don't have the right to say. You gonna leave? fine, leave."

BTW, I'm not saying I have the right to say whether the dungeons are good or bad (althought from what I heard, the classes are inbalanced), but if someone tried them (not nessecerly completed) then I think he's entitled to his opinion just right.