Would you like an in-game parser?

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

You felt it relevant enough a point to post, I felt it relevant enough to comment on. Nice backpedal though, very middle school tier.

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What do you want me to say? Trying to be mean won't make me argue with you more you know. It wasn't what i tried to point out that's all.
I talked about learning a fight, nothing more.

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Originally Posted by Taika

In older FF games beating a fight wasn't about your DPS, so a DPS parser wouldn't have helped you. They were also single player games, so you weren't accountable to anyone else but yourself, and no one else was able to prevent you from winning. FFXI did have enrage timers, and parsers were used in that one.

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Again :/ not the point, i talked about training to clear and learn a fight. Because from what i read on other post it's like you can't do that without a parser.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

What do you want me to say? Trying to be mean won't make me argue with you more you know. It wasn't what i tried to point out that's all.
I talked about learning a fight, nothing more.

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You brought up a stale, archaic point about how learning a fight in an older game in the franchise didn't need a parser. It didn't need a tank or a healthbar either. I only "tried to be mean" when instead of defending your point you dodged it entirely and pretended your post had nothing to do with that point you brought up.

Taika makes good points about it being singleplayer so the only time being spent was your own.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

You brought up a stale, archaic point about how learning a fight in an older game in the franchise didn't need a parser. It didn't need a tank or a healthbar either. I only "tried to be mean" when instead of defending your point you dodged it entirely and pretended your post had nothing to do with that point you brought up.

Taika makes good points about it being singleplayer so the only time being spent was your own.

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Yes, and I was answering someone talking about those older games, meaning i was wrong to even answer?

In any "hard" fight, you need to train, singleplayer or not. The rest sure is different, but this part stay true.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

Yes, and I was answering someone talking about those older games, meaning i was wrong to even answer?

In any "hard" fight, you need to train, singleplayer or not. The rest sure is different, but this part stay true.

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They brought up purchaser intent. You brought up gameplay design. I can see the idea behind your response now, but you didn't properly address their point then.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

Again :/ not the point, i talked about training to clear and learn a fight. Because from what i read on other post it's like you can't do that without a parser.

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That's exactly what I was talking about! In older games (apart from XI), there was no battle challenge (such as enrage) that parser would have helped you to train to beat. In XI there was and parsers were used for that. In XIV DPS is even more important, as is aligning group buffs and performing certain amount of actions within certain time as well as keeping up high enough activity %. These are things a parser can help you to measure and thus enhance your performance, which weren't present in the older games (and as such, parser wouldn't have helped in learning to perform better in those fights).

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Originally Posted by Taika

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The thing is, only speaking from my experience here though. Parser didn't helped. Because the people i were with, and it was with a bunch of parties (obviously not all of them) were aiming for a high dps, more than enough to clear, that is true. But they couldn't do mechanics and wiped, so couldn't clear because of this.

The only thing that mattered to them weren't doing things right, then do better DPS. Nope, the opposite. Hit enrage and adjust is better imo. I know parser can be usefull. The problem is, it is in most case not used right. Hence why i don't want one, but that is another story.
Some where even arguing about some dps not done enough by one where there were still more than enough. But the very same person didn't do mechanics (just an exemple)
You must have seen those old Zurvan party and today Shinryu, the problem isn't the DPS in most case. I wouldn't be against parser if people were less, people i suppose?

Just because people can misuse a tool doesn't mean the public should be denied that tool. With that logic, the public should be denied the internet because not everyone uses it correctly.

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Originally Posted by LyraKuroneko

Parser didn't helped. Because the people i were with, and it was with a bunch of parties (obviously not all of them) were aiming for a high dps, more than enough to clear, that is true. But they couldn't do mechanics and wiped, so couldn't clear because of this.

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In most fights, you need both: handling mechanics correctly AND high enough DPS. Parser doesn't help with the first, but it sure does help with the latter. If you're only focused on one of those, you won't beat the fight.

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Originally Posted by Taika

In most fights, you need both: handling mechanics correctly AND high enough DPS. Parser doesn't help with the first, but it sure does help with the latter. If you're only focused on one of those, you won't beat the fight.

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That I know, now explain that to others...

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

Just because people can misuse a tool doesn't mean the public should be denied that tool. With that logic, the public should be denied the internet because not everyone uses it correctly.

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Beside the internet (and that is not entirly true), a lot of things are indeed forbidden because of the use that can be done of them. That aside, if SE do add a parser, i want a way to report cancerous parser user like we can for RMT, sorry.