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Originally Posted by DNO

Str -10 INT +10 is not the idea i had in mind.

Only good one is prime conditioning .... basicly im hoping traits will be useful and not suck.

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uhh there are a lot of good ones

prime conditioning
firm conviction - defense up while casting, and its pretty noticeable
fast cast- shorter cast times
gladiators increased shield block rate, only good for shield users, but a must for those
marauder more enmity per action
archer less enmity per action
lancer fleet of foot

and the cross class up skills increase potency/acc and lower cast times


Id say just about all of them are very good, though they definately could use more traits per class.

I hope they dont make them not cross classable at all though..

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Originally Posted by Physic

uhh there are a lot of good ones

prime conditioning
firm conviction - defense up while casting, and its pretty noticeable
fast cast- shorter cast times
gladiators increased shield block rate, only good for shield users, but a must for those
marauder more enmity per action
archer less enmity per action
lancer fleet of foot

and the cross class up skills increase potency/acc and lower cast times


Id say just about all of them are very good, though they definately could use more traits per class.

I hope they dont make them not cross classable at all though..

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Well i think things like
Duel wield
Double attack
Auto refresh
Magic Att up
Att up
TP gain up
HP up
Def up etc.

are class defining skills. Increased block rate? really?

Traits in ff11 made the job different and fun. A lil less hate and more blockiing just did not cut it IMO. again im hoping the new traits will be useful and not suck.

auto refresh? dont we have that already?

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are class defining skills. Increased block rate? really?

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Yes! Back before shield blocking rate was gimped in the last patch, this was an incredibly helpful trait.

Prime Conditioning and Intimidation are requirements if you want to be a good late-game tank.

Dual-wield and double attack would be game-breaking at this point - unless it gimped you so much you didn't want to use it anyway.

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Originally Posted by DNO

Well i think things like
Duel wield
Double attack
Auto refresh
Magic Att up
Att up
TP gain up
HP up
Def up etc.

are class defining skills. Increased block rate? really?

Traits in ff11 made the job different and fun. A lil less hate and more blockiing just did not cut it IMO. again im hoping the new traits will be useful and not suck.

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Yes but thats clearly because you are bias.

The traits we have are fine, we aren't goin to get dual weild as we have no Ninja, auto refresh is pointless as we already have it.

HP up, att up, eva up etc will all be bard spells I imagine.
Def up mag def up are called protect and shell.

Well as this is a thread for rein to work hard and get info out ill leave it as ill agree to disagree. FF11 traits are better hands down and i hope that SE sees that. I am sure they do thats why they are changing it. Anyway this is my last post about that.

This is an epic case of trying to save face and failing at it.

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Originally Posted by DNO

Well i think things like
Duel wield
Double attack
Auto refresh
Magic Att up
Att up
TP gain up
HP up
Def up etc.

are class defining skills. Increased block rate? really?

Traits in ff11 made the job different and fun. A lil less hate and more blockiing just did not cut it IMO. again im hoping the new traits will be useful and not suck.

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funny you say this because a lot of traits in FFXI were complete garbage, silence ressistance? really? even the attack up was like 10 attack, that is almost negligble.

there were some good ones, like counter double attack martial arts but some classes had completely crappy and useless ones.

I do agree with DNO though and it's not necessarily biasness, it's just auto-traits you grow into (and grows with you) is just overall a better system. XIV does have good traits, but the way it's done is pretty backwards since they tried to give absolute freedom and it couldn't be done.

They did say they wanted to introduce multiple attack weapons eventually, so adding said traits are a good start too.

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Originally Posted by Frein

I'm pretty sure it's Y, X in game because it confused the heck out of me when I first tried to read coordinates.

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no it's definitely X , Y please go open your map and see for yourself >_> otherwise I would still be lost in thanalahn..